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⌈ Secret Post #5397 ⌋

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I do not know why it has become fanon in Star Wars that everyone forgot about the Jedi between the prequels and the OT movies. Even within the first movie, it is completely untrue that the Jedi were forgotten. There are only two people who deny the existence of the Jedi and the Force. Luke, who was deliberately sheltered, even then his uncle referred to Obi Wan as a "wizard" at the dinner table, and who is a teenager and thinks hunting junk with his friends is the biggest issue in his life; and Han who is deliberately trying to be an asshole and get a rise out of Obi Wan and Luke for basically his own amusement.

Even the Imperial officer who Vader Force chokes doesn't specifically disbelieve in the Force, just he thinks that Vader personally is full of shit about having the abilities he does. The whole damn Rebel Alliance even uses "May the Force Be With You" as their good luck phrase before the attack on the Death Star. The Force and the Jedi have clearly, even in the first movie, never been forgotten. And you get to the third movie and Jabba clearly knows what a Jedi is and what their tricks are.

Yet somehow it is this major fanon thing, that some fans get super angry about, which says The Force and Jedi have been forgotten within twenty years and they demand to know how that could have happened; and it has not happened. You don't even need to go to the old EU or the Marvel Comics, or the newer material to "explain" it, because it never happened and the OT movies themselves agree.

Phew, and that made me mad. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk, what is yours?

I don't think they've been forgotten but I do think they've been discredited.

And for good reason! the Jedi sucked!

Go to bed Anakin, it is late.

Grow up.

Get a sense of humor.

This is gonna end in tears and flaming torsos…

Huh, I stay mainly in the Kylux corner of the Fandom and hadn't heard too much about this.

I did say it was an old rant for old Star Wars. Post prequels, pre sequels, is when it first reared its ugly head. Now it is given the same fanon weight as Kirk in Star Trek being a shoot from the hip cowboy who slept his way around the galaxy, at least in some older quarters.

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Now it is given the same fanon weight as Kirk in Star Trek being a shoot from the hip cowboy who slept his way around the galaxy, at least in some older quarters.

Wow, that is bizarre.

Jedi were rare even in the times they were supposed to be plentiful. I’ve just finished reading one of the new High Republic books and there’s a throwaway line about kids being excited to tell their parents they actually saw one. So I’ve always believed that the general public knew about them but the likelihood of ever seeing one in person was small. Then when they were actually wiped out it didn’t matter to the majority of people as they were already a mythical thing that people didn’t understand.

It's hard to say, because we don't really get much on-screen discussion of Jedi and the Force and all that stuff that isn't with Luke who is, as you say, a sheltered kid from the middle of nowhere; however, doesn't that one Imperial officer say something like 'sad adherence to that ancient religion'? Which tends to suggest that a) he doesn't know much of anything about the Jedi or the Force, and b) it's thought of as something *from the past*? Like, way back when? Not 'less than twenty years ago'?
Oh, and Luke needed to be told what a lightsabre was, and Anakin didn't.
But those are the only two things I can think of on the subject, really.

The Jedi are ancient in the sense that they existed for thousands of years. Even though they only actually were destroyed by Palpatine's men 20 years earlier, describing them as "an ancient religion" makes them look obsolete and foolish and powerless.

In other words, "ancient religion" is anti-Jedi propaganda, because the Empire is anti-Jedi.

Huh. I didn't realize this was a big thing. I saw the original trilogy many times as a kid and then saw Phantom Menace once, but barely remember it.

From the OT, I assumed that the Jedi were indeed largely forgotten. That the idea of "the force" was more like a superstition by that time. So it would make some sense that people would invoke it ritually, but not necessarily expect it to be obviously demonstrated in front of them. Sort of like people invoking the power of prayer, but not necessarily expecting testable results? And some people would know of the Jedi and imagine they would have some manipulative tricks, without being capable of actual magic-level feats.

None of this is meant as an argument against your stance. It's just interesting to see how you can re-evaluate those initial interpretations in the face of new evidence from the prequels.

forgotten? I agree they weren't forgotten. treated as historical? yes. when something is treated as historical, it looks like erasure however.

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