[ SECRET POST #789 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #789 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 06 pages, 129 secrets from Secret Submission Post #113.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ].
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Comments

[post-position.livejournal.com]

116. Agreed! He was far more interesting/entertaining before he got all whiny about not being the strongest.

129. That makes me sad. All women should support the movement, regardless of whether or not you agree with everyone else. Feminism has always had problems because women are such diverse creatures with a huge range of political and social views that the attempt to throw them all under a single banner has been largely a failure. Women need to work together, not fight over who's right or wrong. In the end we all have similar goals, the problem is getting things done. The last 20 years have been terrible for the feminist cause, and it's time that feminism was no longer a dirty word, because that is exactly how the establishment wants it to remain.

[visuals.livejournal.com]

129. Bravo. You said it much better than I ever could.

[darth-salai.livejournal.com]

Well said! :)

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[gogogidget.livejournal.com]

Okay, first thing: feminism and the feminist movement helps all women. This does not mean all women should, in any capacity, support it. Expecting them too and putting the bar there that they are supposed to meet is pretty much the antithesis of what feminism should be, in that it is there to allow the women the freedom of autonomy and equality.

Second: No, we don't need to work together. A lot of the arguments among feminists have a lot to do with intersectionality and priorities. There are a lot of issues that need to be fought out and debated and dealt with, and this whole "set aside our differences and work together" usually costs one sub-group of women in the long run, and if it hurts any women, then those women should not be expected to support it just to give off the image of a united front.

Re: 129

[post-position.livejournal.com]

I understand what you're saying, but I do think that we need to work together to support other women who are fighting for causes we can all benifit from. Of course we're not all going to agree, and should debate things vigerously, but it is hard to get anything done when there is no agreement whatsoever. Sometimes you need to make priorities just to get things done. And I think that has been the biggest problem with the movement.

Re: 129

[gogogidget.livejournal.com]

And I think the biggest problem with the movement is the pervasive attitude that it's perfectly okay to throw some sub-group under the bus just to "get things done." That kind of thinking is what breeds the deep resentment some feminists feel toward one another, and I don't blame them for it, and I won't, not even for a second. It's all well and good to sit there and say "why can't we all just get along" when, from what I can see, you've never really looked at actual inter-feminist debate.

And saying all women need to do this is kind of insulting. What all women need to do is make up their own minds as to what issues they wish to support, not be guilted and cajoled into working for something that might not actually help them.

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[misterthursday.livejournal.com]

I think the problem comes in when you question what the movment even means anymore. Is it still about equal rights? cause if you'r going on how alot of the people claiming to support the idea, it no-longer means that, it means being acting superior to anyone who makes the 'wrong' choice (E.g. women who dress like sluts) or writers who have women behaving in the wrong way (E.g. crying, having sex with a man who fandom belives is gay, etc)

I agree that the origional idea should be above question. It should also be above being warped for people's own agendas, but to look as what seems to be the majority of feminists, it's clearly not. I say 'majority of feminists' I mean in fandom, and I say 'seems' because they're just the loudest, but I dont think you can blame anyone for getting the wrong idea about waht being a feminist actually MEANS anymore.