[ SECRET POST #5427 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5427 ⌋

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Comments

[philstar22]

Well, the baron isn't gay, he's a ephebophile (he shows interest in teenage boys), but since there isn't any actual gay main characters (the fourth book does mention Leto's female guards, I believe, as having relationships with each other I think, but that's it), it does come across as rather homophobic

[(Anonymous)]

It comes off as homophobic because Herbert was using it as coding for gayness. It was the gay = pedophile he was going for. So yes its homophobic. Herbert also disowned his gay son for being gay so lets call a spade a spade.

I love the books, but don't couch what Hebert did as something unintentional.

[philstar22]

Wow. Okay, then. I had no idea. Honestly I don't know much about Herbert at all. I enjoy the books, but I've never looked into the author.

[(Anonymous)]

Ephebophilia, the name for paedophilia that people who don't want to think of themselves as paedophiles use.

[philstar22]

I think that's the correct term? Still gross. My understanding is that pedophilia refers to specifically children and that ephebophilia is about young teens.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

It's not about dictionary definitions, it's about who the word tends to be used by. On reddit especially almost everyone, who uses the term "ephebophile", has some... interesting things in their comment history regarding the age of consent and what they think it should be. Some of them even go so far to argue that a violent rape of a teenager should be punished less severely by law than rape of younger children. See enough of these people, and you begin to side-eye anyone who uses the term "ephebophilia" unironically. It's the "all lives matter" of the pedophilia discourse.

[philstar22]

Okay, sorry. I didn't know. In my mind they are equally rape and equally horrible. I just thought that was the term we were supposed to use.

[(Anonymous)]

I get that and I'm aware of that, but I also think precision in language is important in its own right, and words that mean specific things need to keep that meaning. Otherwise, we don't have a word for that thing anymore. It makes language less useful, not more.

[(Anonymous)]

Hence why I compared it to "all lives matter". You could also argue that this statement should not be controversial, because indeed all lives matter and any good human being should agree that they do. And I'm sure that there's a small number of people saying this phrase, who genuinely mean it in the literal sense. But whatever your personal feelings are, you can't erase the fact that a whole lot of people pushing for making a distinction between pedophilia and ephebophilia are doing so for the purpose of making people see the latter as "less bad" than the former, so that they can continue to creep on 13 year olds girls undisturbed.