[ SECRET POST #5428 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5428 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT Because you're not. Your a non-fictional person. Singular. You're lying to yourself and that's not healthy.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT it's not unhealthy to have a fictional coping mechanism, but it sure as fuck is shitty to co-opt a real illness for internet points.

[(Anonymous)]

Ayrt Truth.

It is unhealthy to lie to yourself about who you are. You're right though, this is most likely a troll playing it for points.

[(Anonymous)]

We don't have DID and we don't claim to.

This was easily confirmed by reading the diagnostic criteria and being like "well that sure describes a completely different experience than the one we have".

[(Anonymous)]

Enjoy your roleplay fun.

[(Anonymous)]

So, like, just so we're all on the same page here, you are categorically asserting that non-DID multiplicity does not exist and the many many systems who claim to experience it are all just secretly roleplaying, in many cases so secretly that they don't know it themselves? Even the ones who also are super big into actual roleplaying and have lots of data with which to tell the difference?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT yeah, that's pretty much exactly what I'm saying. Thanks for the succinct summary! I've been in fandom spaces long enough to have seen this song and dance before. It's cool you have a coping mechanism that makes you happy and that you're comfortable and all, and strong inner storytelling is a wonderful thing, not bashing that, but what you're describing sounds as "really real" as reality shifting (which also has "data" and many many believers)--that is, not real.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, we're a little confused about what factual claim you're actually making here.

We claim that our thoughts and feelings occur in a way that can be interpreted as several different individuals, despite the fact that they are also inconsistent with the extremely precise definition of DID.

Are you claiming that this is not what is happening in our mind, or are you claiming something different that's actually possible for you to confirm without being a telepath? (In principle, at least - we are a random internet anon and you may not have access to the relevant information in this context.)

[(Anonymous)]

My claim is that things like fictives/fictionkin and reality-shifters are a form of either extremely detailed or maladaptive daydreaming--which in itself is a pretty cool thing, honestly! I apologize for the conflagration with your specific case and DID--that was because a lot of people making these claims do also claim DID, so hopefully you understand the confusion.

our thoughts and feelings occur in a way that can be interpreted as several different individuals

"can be interpreted as" is not the same as "actually is", so maybe you should shore up your claim here, while we're at it. I get it. It's comforting. If it makes you happy to live in this mentality where your favorite fictional characters are a literal part of you, more power to you. I'm glad you're happy.

But it is a fiction, and having an online space filled with fellow yes-ers who collaboratively insist that "no, it's real, it's really real, you're really special, we're all really special, nobody else understands like we do" is, historically, not a great thing. That's how you get cults, and I'm not being hyperbolic there; I'm literally speaking from experience.

[(Anonymous)]

Hm, it seems like we completely agree on the actual thing-that-is-happening, and our disagreement is entirely a semantic one about whether the thing in question is a "real" thing or an "imaginary" thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Whether or not something is real isn't semantics.

Like I said, though, I'm glad you have a way of imagining the world that makes you happy. I would, though, suggest looking into the BITE model just for safety's sake, especially if you're involved in online groups that enforce/encourage this type of thinking as "real". I promise I'm not saying things to try and bully you or whatever. Having a rich fantasy life is a wonderful thing--insisting that it's reality, including to anonymous internet strangers, is not. Best of luck to you.

[(Anonymous)]

Insisting a thing-which-is-happening is "imaginary" because it does not fit your model of reality even though you make no differing claims about the actual nature of the thing-which-is-happening (including, crucially, whether or not it is in fact happening) than us who call it "real" is semantics.

[(Anonymous)]

DA
The way this person is arguing very much sounds like someone from a cult would argue so I wouldn't waste any more time on it, tbh. I see literally no difference between this whole thing and, for example, the belief in channeling and similar acts that occur in certain types of cults. These people would feel right at home in the Ramtha cult, for example.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT Oh yeah, I know, and I am leaving it here. That's why I recommended the BITE model even though it's not likely to stick at this point. The thing is, with this type of reinforced belief, having someone from outside the "circle" patiently and gently argue against the belief (ie not "lol you're insane") can be helpful, or at the very least plant the seed of doubt that can eventually lead to recovery. I'm speaking from personal experience with these kinds of behaviors and situations here, so I do genuinely wish them the best. This kind of thing can get scary so fast.

[(Anonymous)]

You're a better person than I am.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT: And you have some method of proving this, I imagine?

We'd understand if you couldn't actually implement it on an anonymous internet stranger, but like, in principle at least you have some method of distinguishing between your claim and ours?

[(Anonymous)]

Logic.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

full offense, but you can't ask people to prove a negative. the burden of proof is on you