[ SECRET POST #5437 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5437 ⌋

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Comments

Re: LOTR fans

[(Anonymous)]

Is the ring magic as in can it move by itself? Like, could they have just thrown it into an ocean?

Why was bilbo able to keep it for decades without going nuts?

Re: LOTR fans

[(Anonymous)]

The Ring is basically "The Force" from Star Wars. It doesn't do anything, but the universe itself just rearranges itself around it. Throw it into the ocean? Next day a fisherman hauling in his catch will find a suspiciously juicy looking fish, cut it open, and you'll never guess what it has in its belly...

The Ring is sort of attracted towards it's master and creator, and vice versa, but is about the limit of it. The rest of it is the universe rearranging itself to make that union possible. It stayed with Gollum, and Bilbo, and to a limited extent Frodo, for so long because Sauron was inactive himself, but as soon as he became active again, then opportunities started cropping up for it to get closer.

Re: LOTR fans

[(Anonymous)]

right, plus the only reason it just sat in the River Anduin for so long (I love the meme I saw on reddit that claimed the river is the real lord of the ring since it had the ring for 2000+ years compared to Gollum's 400) was because the area was so sparsely populated that it took that long for someone to be swimming relatively close enough to spot the glint of gold in the mud to locate it. so the ring itself can't do shit but look attractive, so when it does, it looks like the most amazing thing that anyone has ever seen. and even then it's subject to the whims of the bearer to a point - the ring would never have chosen some weird goblin child who was predisposed to murder and hated his family to abscond into the caves under the mountains for hundreds of years.

so the ring isn't fully sentient but I like the comparison to the Force, as a thing that exists but can't actually make people do anything unless they're really really fucking mentally weak and even then, it's easier to get someone to go along with their instincts vs make them do something completely opposite their nature.

Re: LOTR fans

[(Anonymous)]

So why didn't Sauron just get his Ghoul Boys to get it from the river or steal it from Gollum?

Re: LOTR fans

[(Anonymous)]

Sauron was diminished at the time and unable to do so. It took him a long time, a looooooooong time, to recover from his wounds and the original loss of the ring. He wasn't in any fit state to be able to do anything until shortly before The Hobbit.

Re: LOTR fans

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but Sauron does not actually know where the ring is. At most, he can see the wearer magically if they put the ring on, but that's all.

Re: LOTR fans

[philstar22]

Not that kind of magic, it probably can't move itself (although it is possible it did move itself away from where Gollum had it for Bilbo to find). But Sauron can sense it at all times. throwing it into the ocean wouldn't help, Sauron would just send servants to retrieve it. It is literally made of Sauron as Sauron put himself into the Ring creation.

And the Ring also has a will of its own. It is unclear if it is fully sapient, but it can interact with the world in the sense of influencing people who aren't even touching it. Smeagol (who became Gollum), was tempted by the Ring when his friend had it and so killed his friend and took the Ring. The closer someone is to it, the easier it is for the Ring to influence them. Plus anyone who has a ring of power can be influenced by it as it is the controlling Ring. So the nine Nazgul will obey the Ring's will as much as Sauron's (really their wills are one and the same).

The holders of the Three aren't quite as fully influenced since Sauron didn't help make the Three, but the One Ring still has something of an effect on them, which is why the holders only put their rings on after the One Ring was separated from Sauron.

The reasons Bilbo was able to keep it for a long time and only slowly be influenced are 1. he's a hobbit, 2. he didn't steal the Ring directly from Gollum, and 3. The Ring didn't need him to do anything for it until it sensed Sauron was gaining power, so it didn't need to work as strongly on him.

Re: LOTR fans

[(Anonymous)]

The holders of the Three aren't quite as fully influenced since Sauron didn't help make the Three, but the One Ring still has something of an effect on them, which is why the holders only put their rings on after the One Ring was separated from Sauron.

It's also why Gandalf and Galadriel seemed especially terrified by even the possibility of taking it: They're currently the keepers of two of the Elven Rings. (Elrond is the other and he seemed more sanguine about it). Even though Sauron did not make the Three, some of their power was still tied to the One, which is why the Elven realms - which had been partly maintained by Ring power - are fated to fade after the One was destroyed.

Re: LOTR fans

[philstar22]

Yup. A good analogy is that while the Nine and the Seven were partially made by Sauron while the Three weren't, the Three were still made using the template Sauron gave the elves.

With the fading of the elven realms, that was meant to happen and would have happened earlier without the rings. Sauron actually convinced the elves (Celebrimbor and the other elves in Eregion) to help him with the rings because they were afraid of the fading and wanted to avoid it. So from the point of view of the elves, the purpose of the rings was to keep the elves from fading. It is just that it was Sauron who helped them, and he had major ulterior motives and plans of his own.