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⌈ Secret Post #5446 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think Dune is that different from LOTR in terms of being a gamble. The cast is well known, sure, but none of them are big box-office draws. And Dune's budget was actually higher than Fellowship's even after adjusting for inflation. Admittedly Villeneuve is more of a big-ticket name as a director than Jackson was at the time, but still.

You could also look at something like the WOT series - it's a TV show and on streaming, but they're spending a shitload of money on it and there's no major stars at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Big difference here - most of Dune is green screen whereas LOTR is location work.

[(Anonymous)]

We will likely never see that sort of location work happen ever again, not with the rise of whatever sorcery it is Lucasfilm is pioneering.

[(Anonymous)]

True, and that's a damn shame.

[(Anonymous)]

Is it? Why? If it looks indistinguishable (and The Mandalorian proves it does), isn't it better for everyone not to film on location? Better for the environment, better for the actors, better for the crew.

[(Anonymous)]

If it looks indistinguishable (and The Mandalorian proves it does)

imagine me looking into the camera like Jim from The Office here

[(Anonymous)]

better for the crew - especially those people who work in CGI without those pesky unions to protect them from being overworked and under paid.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Studios don't use CGI for things that don't require CGI because it's better, they do it because it's cheaper. Grinding, crunching, and union-busting play a big role. Look at the IATSE near-strike and why. I don't think it's better for the crews at ALL.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not indistinguishable though. That's exactly why the Hobbit movies look so much faker than the LOTR ones even though they were made a decade later by the same people. Locations and practical effects make a huge difference still.

[(Anonymous)]

Even on the Mandalorian you can often see where the digital scenery panels are set on the floor. There is a scenery and props line. Same as you'd see on the old shows where they were working with a painted matte background. It isn't quite as a pop out obvious, but once you know it is there you can't help see it.

[tabaqui]

A lot of LotR was green-screen, too, just location green screen (ie: shot in a warehouse in New Zealand somewhere). Watch the endlessly fun extras, you'll see it.

[(Anonymous)]

Dune used a LOT of location work though. They filmed in Jordan and United Arab Emirates for Arrakis and Norway for Caladan.

https://collider.com/where-was-dune-filmed/

[(Anonymous)]

+1

And they took that risk knowing there were a lot of uphill factors in play that LOTR didn't have to contend with: biggest one being how much more difficult it is to put butts in seats at theaters during COVID.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually I don't think Dune is as big a gamble as you think. GoT proved there was taste for epics (but Dune actually had a damn ending), plus it's a famous cult classic and a reboot of a film to boot.

LOTR had no precursors.

[(Anonymous)]

LOTR is also a cult classic, and the previous Dune adaptation was a flop

[(Anonymous)]

Dune was a flop but endured as a cult classic. LOTR had a devoted but dusty fandom in the late nineties/early noughties.

[(Anonymous)]

There had been a moderately successful tv miniseries adaptation of Dune since the Lynch attempt, so it wasn't just resting on the previous movie.

[(Anonymous)]

LotR isn't a cult classic, it's just a classic.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Oh yeah, I'm not saying LOTR wasn't a huge breakthrough. It was. But as cult classics go, I think LOTR was much widely more read and beloved than Dune before any of those movies were made. And it had film adaptations before, just animated ones. It was far from an unknown property, and a lot of people had been hoping for a good live-action movie for decades. It was either going to be a disaster or it was going to hit BIG, no middle ground possible.

David Lynch's version of Dune bombed. It lost a shitload of money. (Unfairly, I think - there's a lot of weird choices there but it isn't that bad.) Taking another chance on it from a different director is still a leap of faith.

[(Anonymous)]

Uhhh. I really have to disagree with your comparison of LOTR and the new Dune. I think we forget what a huge gamble LOTR was because it turned out to be wildly successful.

Besides Ian Mckellan, the LOTR cast were basically nobodies. LOTR had Magneto but then it had an old Dracula, the kid from the Goonies, and Mr Smith in a bit part. Dune is packed with the leads from such small films as Stars Wars, Spiderman, Guardians of the Galaxy, Aquaman, Avengers, etc. Reading the cast list of Dune is reading a who's who's of Hollywood A-listers.

And Villeneuve is not just a bigger ticket name than Jackson. Jackson was a nobody. He was best known for some c-list horror films and an adult themed muppet knock off.

The only gamble they have in common is that, while both IPs are extremely well known, that is not always a guarantee of a hit with audiences.

I do agree with you on Wheel of Time. It's clearly aiming to be Game of Thrones and is willing to burn dumpster trucks of money to try.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

I’m not disagreeing with you, but Cate Blanchett was already a big name before she was cast in LOTR, so it wasn’t just Ian McKellan. And even though Liv Tyler wasn’t a big name in the acting world yet, she was still the daughter of a famous rockstar.