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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2021-12-09 06:01 pm

[ SECRET POST #5452 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5452 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2021-12-09 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
The image for this secret is great.
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[personal profile] feotakahari 2021-12-09 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
This reminds me of those feminist posts arguing that when a female character gets raped or murdered, the focus tends to be on the emotional reaction of her lover or relative. And I’ve seen nonwhite characters killed off primarily so white dudes can feel sad.

(Anonymous) 2021-12-10 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, that's a throwback! That Manpain meta was epic, as was the fanvid that accompanied it.

(Anonymous) 2021-12-10 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
I mean, this really does depend on execution. If canon covers the main character's reaction to the trauma and people want to write fic about how other characters handled it while the original focus was on the person most central to it, then that's one thing. I think that's fine?

OP of the comment for the secret.

(Anonymous) 2021-12-10 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
That's not really what I mean. Say there is a show with the main cast is Aaron, Beth, Cindy, and Doug. Say Aaron is in a car accident and the canon narrative completely focuses on Doug's reaction, even though Aaron is the one injured and Beth is his sister and Cindy is also a close friend along with Doug. That's a little much. And it would be fine if there was fic exploring Beth's reactions or Aaron's or Cindy's, but I've seen fic where the Doug character completely loses it over Aaron's accident, which is fine as a premise, but then Aaron, Beth, and Cindy all also focus on Doug, to the exclusion of their own reactions.
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Re: OP of the comment for the secret.

[personal profile] des_pudels_kern 2021-12-10 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
You can say what you mean, OP. Say Eddie gets shot, and the narrative focusses on Buck's reaction, to the point that Buck, the adult, breaks down in front of and is then comforted by Christopher, Eddie's young child.

I'm fine with this kind of thing in fic, and I love woobie!Buck but that kind of thing in canon is just bad writing.

Thanks to the secret maker!

(Anonymous) 2021-12-10 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
For making my comment a secret, that image is awesome!

(Anonymous) 2021-12-10 02:52 am (UTC)(link)
Which part of the X-Files are you referring to? I mean, Mulder's pain over his sister's abduction was definitely focused on (sometimes to a relentless and obnoxious degree), but I feel like in that case, the complete absence of Samantha made it less of a glaring issue.

I'm trying to think of situations in which Scully's trauma was made about Mulder more than about Scully herself. I guess when she was abducted. But again, she was absent (and had to be absent due to GA's pregnancy, so the focus had to be on Mulder by default.

I'm not saying you're wrong. Mulder was frequently petulant, morose, and self-involved, and in general I do feel like the show focused too much on him and his feelings. I'm just trying to think of which specific instances you're talking about.

(Anonymous) 2021-12-10 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
DA When Scully's sister was killed and they still had buckets of manpain about Mulder losing his sister but only rarely mentioned Melissa.

(Anonymous) 2021-12-10 05:49 am (UTC)(link)
I thought OP was talking about fandom not canon?

(Anonymous) 2021-12-10 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
*Alex Trebek voice* Is "How is manpain like a Marysue?" your final answer?

(Anonymous) 2021-12-10 06:40 am (UTC)(link)
I wouldn't mind so much (in fanfic) if it were tagged/summarized properly. If I'm looking for H/C of one character and it focuses completely on the other, it's kind of annoying. Also, I tend to like the strong but silent half of the OTP so it's my own fault. People always woobify the nerdy talkative one, and focus on their pain, regardless of who's been injured.

(Anonymous) 2021-12-11 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
This has been happening for a few years in the canon of a long-term fandom I've been in since 2004. Basically, there's this new inexplicably popular character, who has basically been co-opting the tragic backstories of numerous other characters. Like, another (formerly important) character's dead mom was now also a mother figure for the new character. Flashbacks to the dead mom are all about the new character now. A different character's dead almost-boyfriend was now also one of the new character's best friends, and this connection has apparently turned more narratively important.

And it's not even just other characters' tragic backstories this new character keeps overtaking, it's also the plot roles and competence levels that others used to have.

I'm so tired of it.