[ SECRET POST #5477 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5477 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Black Widow/Hawkeye]


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03.
[Unsighted]



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04.
[Chronicles of Narnia]


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05.
[I'm Gonna Be an Angel!]



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06.
[Some Like It Hot]















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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

She was forcibly hysterectomized, so by Marvel movie logic that does make her incapable of romance or sexual pleasure. That is just how it works. She is a monster now.

[(Anonymous)]

By the time I saw AoU, the Discourse had faded, so I guess this is my chance to say I interpreted that line a lot differently. I thought she was calling herself a monster not because she couldn’t have kids And That’s Terrible, but because they stripped her of that choice to make her a more efficient killing machine. I would consider myself less human if some organization modified my body for their purposes too.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

Ehh, replace “consider myself” with “feel” in that last sentence.

[(Anonymous)]

Given Whedon's history with pregnant women, I would not be so charitable. I would even say that I think he's probably hoping that the relative ambiguity of the line encourages people to say that to be reasonable and give him socially acceptable cover for the other, darker, meaning. I stopped giving Whedon credit quite some time ago.

NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know, I think that's a stretch - for two reasons. One, I think Whedon's shittiness about pregnant women is not, like, an ideological stand that he is intentionally attempting to smuggle into his works; he's just a shitty person. So it doesn't strike me as reasonable that he would write something with an intentional double meaning in that way.

Two, the particular thing that is going on here, the whole idea of the violation of female body autonomy and stripping away of choice, is very much something that runs through Whedon's work - off the top of my head it's a big deal in Firefly with River, and it's basically the whole premise of Dollhouse. And I mean you can also easily argue that it's a problematic theme in his own right, but it's definitely something Whedon frequently writes about, so it's very plausible that it's what he had in mind here.

He still fucked up writing the line though. And he's still a piece of shit more generally.

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Seconding all of this.

[(Anonymous)]

Is that what they think?

I've got news for them if they think sexuality has anything to do with childbearing capability...

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, Joss Whedon's understanding of biology is not great. Then again, he also thinks it is possible for young women to just lose control and trip, vagina first, onto his penis.

[(Anonymous)]

Anon she's asexual in (Some runs) of the comics, that's where people are getting it from. It has nothing to do with whatever troll bait you're saying.

[(Anonymous)]

Even that's only based on one ambiguous line. But the OP is correct, people are using it to attack Yelena/Kate in particular.

[(Anonymous)]

Based on one ambiguous line in the comics that is very open to interpretation. Maybe she's been raised and conditioned to present however the mission requires or maybe she just doesn't care to put a label on herself. People can headcanon her as ace if they want, and there's nothing wrong with that, but other people are not obligated to agree with them.

[(Anonymous)]

This would be a stupid take regardless, but the fact that the line you're whining about was spoken by a female character who was in an unambiguously romantic relationship with the male character she said it to - in the course of trying to convince him that he's capable and worthy of love despite him thinking of himself as a monster - makes it an extra level of stupid.

[(Anonymous)]

Fucking this.

[(Anonymous)]

thank you. i've been sick of reading the initial take since the movie came out.

[(Anonymous)]

for christ's sake, i'm not one to defend whedon as a human and that scene was handled clumsily at best considering how many people still bring it up, but a ) he didn't make that part of natasha's history up and b ) that wasn't the intention of the scene.