[ SECRET POST #800 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #800 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 16 pages, 383 secrets from Secret Submission Post #115.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 4 5 6 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[la-petite-singe.livejournal.com]

I think it's more of a slightly ironic 'can't we all just get along; stop fanning the flames; let's bring some goodness into the world' sort of message. But don't look at me, I didn't make the secret.

[vivalana.livejournal.com]

People are not speaking out because they're trolling or trying to "fan the flames." From what I've read they're speaking out because the industry has problems, which need to be addressed.

I'm finding it very troubling that you place the fans who are discussing their experiences as PoC in opposition to bringing "goodness into the world".

[la-petite-singe.livejournal.com]

There's a difference between debating and wanking. As I said in my original comment, I only just discovered this thing, so I don't pretend to be an expert on it by any means, but I think the OP's point was that at this point it's not going anywhere and no one's learning anything, it's just descended into bitching. (They're calling it RaceFail for a reason.) And my point was that if that's the case, then fuck it; we might as well just focus on some hot, mind-numbing fanfic for all the good it's doing.

[vivalana.livejournal.com]

They're calling it RaceFail for a reason

Yes, I don't think it means what you think it means.

As I said in my original comment, I only just discovered this thing, so I don't pretend to be an expert on it by any means, but I think the OP's point was that at this point it's not going anywhere and no one's learning anything, it's just descended into bitching.

And I disagree with that point with my whole heart. I've actually been following RaceFail 09, and I've read some really heart-breaking and thought-provoking essays from fans who have contributed to the discussion. It changed how I look at the world. How can anyone say that no one's leaned anything? I've learned something. If no one was learning, experiencing, being affected, this wouldn't be happening right now.

You said that you haven't delved into this debate recently. Know now that people have been hurt. Fans are actually being threatened and outed because they say things that some figures with authority don't like, and when you declare that they shut up and quit bitching you're stepping on a huge minefield built from what has transpired that you're probably not aware of yet.

If you want to read more about what's been going on, here's a good summary (http://rydra-wong.livejournal.com/155427.html) of the events. If you want to read further, check out Metafandom (http://community.livejournal.com/metafandom/).

Your response was, I quote: What a maelstrom of moronity. I support this porn idea 100%.

Now you say that you only have just discovered RaceFail 09. I suggest (not decree, but I seriously suggest) that if you're going to agree with a secret declaring that fans shut up and write porn, that you get a better grasp for yourself of what that means to those ladies who, as you read into the secret, have "descended into bitching".

[slytherincesss.livejournal.com]

I just want to say that you rule me. Thank you for your cogent, informative responses here.

We should never stop talking about race and how people of color are impacted by racism, and we should never ever tell anyone discussing racism to STFU.

[continuum.livejournal.com]

Well, I think the discussion has merit at its core. But on the other hand, some of those who spoke out were attacked to the point where people were getting personal about their IRL lives, etc, among lots of other mindfuckery crap.

So I can kind of see where the OP is coming from. I think it's important that people express their views because that's what blogging is for and they shouldn't stop due to a few idiots who can't carry on a civil conversation. But at the same time, the fallout from Racefail '09 is pretty insane and it does feel tiring in a way.

[vivalana.livejournal.com]

There's been a lot of fallout, but some of said fallout have been very constructive. Media criticism is always good. It sucks when people are attacked personally.

I understand how tiring it gets for some people. But something so systemic as prejudice, racism, and white privilege is not something we can turn off, so neither should the discussion of it be. In a way, discussion is easier for others to ignore. Flip the channel or read a new LJ. Could one do the same for our world?

[continuum.livejournal.com]

Definitely not saying people should stop writing about it, considering if people don't post about it, where else are they gonna be heard as effectively? Like you said, scrolling past is easy. I've found all of the discussion really interesting, fallout aside.

I guess I just meant to say that I don't think the sentiment of the secret was as STFU YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO WRITE WHAT I WANT as some people here (not you) seem to feel it was, though perhaps it could've been better worded. Or possibly I'm giving the poster too much benefit of the doubt.

[vivalana.livejournal.com]

Or possibly I'm giving the poster too much benefit of the doubt.

I think you might be. Seriously, I tend to skip secrets I disagree with, but with that secret, my hackles were raised. High. First of all, there is no single "point" with what's going on here. And if there was, it wouldn't be something so redundant as "racism = bad, but rather, the point is that racism is still alive and well in an industry who has many prominent figures who refuse to acknowledge this. Not only that, but who use their powers to try to silence the fans who do.

The "Can everyone STFU about this and go right some porn already?" was just the cherry bomb on the crap cake.

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

ILUBB

[frakalakalaka.livejournal.com]

seconding the love♥ Thanks for this.

[heather.livejournal.com]

THIS.

That secret made me headdesk SO HARD.

[kittikattie.livejournal.com]

Tell you what. I'll start getting along when people stop telling me to shut the fuck up about being visibly black.

[la-petite-singe.livejournal.com]

The ignorant type of people who would say that are exactly who I'm referring to--I think discussions of race are terrific learning experiences, but only when everyone's actually willing to have an open mind and listen. Again, I'm no expert, but from the threads I've read from this whole situation, there's a lot of ignorance and "SHUT UP, I AM TOTES RIGHT" going on instead of productive conversation, and that's what I'm opposed to, not the discussion. And as you can see, I said 'ironic,' so I didn't actually mean 'shut up about race and just be happy and nice.'

[hector-rashbaum.livejournal.com]

But what's visible isn't necessarily all there is. Not everyone following any given discussion will speak up - for every one asshole who demands people explain and justify and bare themselves knowing full well he has no intention of changing his mind, there are ten people reading who might be totally open to new ideas and see something that clicks with them.

The fact that it isn't a learning experience for the one asshole who refuses to think doesn't invalidate any other learning going on.