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⌈ Secret Post #5483 ⌋

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Comments

[feotakahari]

9/11 did so much damage to American culture.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's fairer to say 9/11 exposed the ugly underbelly of American culture.

[philstar22]

This. That part of American culture was always there, it just became more mainstream and noticeable.

[(Anonymous)]

It empowered it, and gave it support, which made it possible to recruit vast numbers of people who were not previously involved. The use of fear and of branding people who opposed it as unpatriotic was what turned a collection of wingnuts into a political cult. Don't minimize the effects of 9/11 and aftermath by claiming it just drew back the curtain, it did far more than that. It effectively ended the era of morals and ethics.

The rhetoric of it just drawing back the curtain, is part of the rhetoric behind that change. It is self justifying nonsense. Most of what is now considered acceptable was not considered acceptable at all before 9/11. It was anathema, in fact, but the constant blaring of it supposedly somehow being acceptable afterwards has only served to gaslight people into thinking it was. Stop falling for it. Stop making excuses for it. Start pushing back against it.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you! You've said what I want to say, and far more eloquently than I could have. 911 allowed the warhawks and the authoritarians to demonize anyone who disagreed with them as unpatriotic in a way that even the Red Scares of the '50s couldn't.

[(Anonymous)]

It empowered those who lived in that underbelly, but the war on terror and Cheney's determination to use it to turn W from a budding one termer into a part of a political dynasty for the ages, and brand anyone who opposed him as unpatriotic in a way that not even McCarthy would have dreamed of being able to, did untold long term damage. It really did reshape America in a way I can't even begin to explain to those who grew up in the after times.

[(Anonymous)]

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I'm old enough to remember what the US was like before 911, and yeah, 911 was really a sea change, and we all knew it then. We also knew that it would not be a change for the better. We need to push back against it, not just sit on our hands and whine about how it's always been that way.

[(Anonymous)]

It really didn't change as much as you think it did. It just brought out the American arrogant myopia that was already there but in the worst possible way. Now Americans just can't ignore that it's a shitty country. That's the biggest change.

[(Anonymous)]

No, things really did change a lot after 9-11. Yes, there were always problems, but 9-11 enabled the bad stuff in a major way.

[(Anonymous)]

One of the big changes was gas lighting people into thinking it wasn't big changes.

[(Anonymous)]

Except so many Americans are trying to make the country better, in an already shitty world, that to just brush it off as “a shitty country” is a bit much. Nobody is denying that jingoism is a problem for a lot of Americans, especially older and right-leaning Americans. And 9/11 really did bring that out in a noticeable way, and it did highlight and exacerbate problems that were already there. But there’s so many citizens trying their best, who are nothing like the myopic assholes, that I don’t feel good about them being lumped in constantly. It’s honestly a little small-minded to do that.

I was there for 9/11. I was there before 9/11. I live in America, and am uncomfortable every 9/11, with how the worst and loudest people make a big deal about it. It’s not about the innocent people and rescue workers that died anymore, if it ever was for these certain people. It’s just an excuse to revel in their over-patriotic jingoism, and was definitely an excuse to feel justified in their blatant Islamophobia and othering of people that don’t look like them or share their beliefs. They were always like that. This just gave them an excuse to be open about it. I know about the problems in this country. But it’s not a shitty country just because of the shitty people who have had the loudest voices for too long.