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https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Minerva_McGonagall's_dress_robes

There's a subtle difference between the short 'e' sound and the short 'i' sound in Jenny versus Ginny, but it's there (and can be more prominent, depending upon accent).
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/gen_1?q=gen
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/gin?q=gin

I want to understand how they track underage magic, why Harry doesn't show others pensieve memories of, you know, everything, why parents are sending their kids back to Hogwarts every year (petrified students, dementors/escaped 'convict', dead student, Umbridge, etc.), and about a hundred other things.

Tracking underage magic when you have an entire bureaucracy of magic users isn't really a mystery. It's magic.

Only Dumbledore has a pensive, presumably a raee magical artefact, and it's located in Hogwarts. Harry doesn't know it exists until Book 6, and has no access to it for most of Book 7.

The last one... I don't know. Hogwarts is a fortress and is led by the most powerful wizard in several generations. I guess they thought it would be safer? At first from Sirius Black, and then later Voldemort.

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Tracking underage magic when you have an entire bureaucracy of magic users isn't really a mystery. It's magic.
But what kind of magic? How can it distinguish between adults and children, if it can't distinguish between elf magic and wizard magic? Do they put it on every house once they've confirmed a magical child? Etc.

Only Dumbledore has a pensive, presumably a raee magical artefact, and it's located in Hogwarts. Harry doesn't know it exists until Book 6, and has no access to it for most of Book 7.
Uh, no, he knows it exists in Book 4, when he watches Barty Crouch Jr.'s trial. He could share what happened in the graveyard. Even if he didn't want to use that one, for whatever reason, surely there is another one somewhere in the country, the Department of Mysteries, if nowhere else.

My theory is that the tracking usually works on an area basis, which is why Harry got blamed for Dobby's magic in book 2 (magic happened in the Dursley residence, Harry is the only magic user living there, must have been him). Around book 5 Harry may have got flagged in someway so that he was being tracked specifically because the Ministry was gunning for him, or the tracking might be broad enough and Little Winging non-magical enough that all magic in that neighborhood was attributed to him. That kind of tracking would be useless for kids with wizarding parents, but I think that's part of the society. The Ministry expects wizarding parents to monitor their own kids magic use so they don't intervene unless its something especially egregious. The point of that rule anyway is to keep magic secret and prevent kids from experimenting without supervision, so it's nbd if a couple of pureblood twins want to turn their brother's rat yellow.

You've helped a bit with the dress robes for McGonagall, but now I'm just confused about what you would call what she's wearing under that robe. A slip? A shirt? An undershirt? Is she wearing pants, or a skirt, or is it part of the shirt-slip? If nothing, that that's just a button up dress imo.

See, the difference in Gen and Gin doesn't exist for me with Jenny and Ginny. I definitely say gen differently than gin, but I would say the Jen and Gin as Gin. But this helps thank you!

I think the implication is that the Trace is a spell on the wand that is triggered by age (like the age line for the Goblet of Fire but as a spell on the wand) and whether someone gets a warning is based on a general magical activity sensor to determine if muggles might be around imo.

People keep going just like people keep living in Sunnydale imo. With a little too much government trust.

Question: what do you think the male robes are? Do you consider them dresses as well?

If it's not meant to be worn with something equally formal under it? a gown.

I suppose my main point of confusion is why you only seem to be confused about robes on girls, when they're the same garment as robes on boys.

It's in line with real world "robes" or "formal dress" that men wear some type of shirt and a pants under robes/jacket. So, I can assume shirts or like a robe that buttons up over any bodice with girls. But let's take the McGonagal pic above. Even assuming the shirt is a shirt or part of the robe....that doesn't explain if she's wearing pants or a skirt or nothing. And that makes three entirely different looks.

I've read fic where it was like the girls wore a dress with dress robes over it. And that makes perfect sense! That's like a pelisse! But a lot of fics, and the books, suggest dress robes as it own piece alone, that seems more revealing than I think is intended to be implied.

Why would it be more revealing if it's a full-length garment? If you wear a floor-length fully-closed robe with underwear underneath, how would that be functionally different from wearing a dress? And, as said above, this is the same for male and female. At least once in the books (Wizarding World Cup) it's more or less stated that several older-generation wizards do NOT wear muggle trousers under their robes, the robe is the main garment in their case as well. The robe is the primary garment for wizarding society, and things like trousers are optional extras often inspired by the need to blend in with Muggles.

I know the movies went with the modern 'academic overrobe' idea for the visual representation of wizard robes, but the books it seems more likely that they're closer to stereotypical fantasy wizarding robes and things like RL monks' cassocks. They could be a fully button-down garment, or possibly a pull-over garment, or both depending on styles, but they're almost certainly full length and fully closed in most cases.

Probably a difference in the idea of robes that you'd have. Something that closes all the way down or is a pull-over isn't a robe, it's a gown, imo.

For the record, a pull-over or something that closes all the way down makes it closer to a dress than everyone has been saying it would be. There's very little distinct difference between a "floaty...material" pullover or enclosed "robe" and a "dress." Frankly, I'd still not see the difference in a robe like that and dress. Maybe the terminology changed with gender differentiation?

I mean, Wikipedia isn't necessarily the best source, but among it's list of things considered robes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robe) are:

A wide variety of long, flowing religious dress including pulpit robes and the robes worn by various types of monks.
A gown worn as part of the official dress of a peer or royalty.
A gown worn in fantasy literature and role-playing games by wizards and other magical characters.
Any long flowing garment; for example, a cassock is sometimes called a robe, although a cassock is close-fitting.

Robe is a relatively general term, and covers pretty much everything we've been talking about. The modern usage is narrower, but given the context of a) a children's fantasy novel, and b) an in-universe old-fashioned wizarding school, I think it's pretty clear that the fantasy wizarding robe is what she's aiming for. Basically, picture Gandalf, but more Victorian.

And yes, you can argue that a wizarding robe is pretty much functionally what we view now as a dress, only without the gendered attachment. This is again also brought up with the Wizarding World Cup example, since the older male wizard thought a modern female nightdress was entirely appropriate for an old man to wear, because to his society it would be. So the comparison between our female dresses and wizarding robes is brought up in the text, but explicitly for both genders. There's no difference between what male and female wizards wear, both in the case of the robes themselves and likely in what they consider appropriate to wear under them.

(This is also brought up in jokes regarding robes elsewhere in pop culture: see above regarding Kronk from Disney's Emperor's New Groove and his shoulder devil mocking his shoulder angel for wearing a dress. "Yeah. That's a harp, and that's a dress." "Robe." A lot of historical male dress is derided in modern media for looking like what we could consider female dress now)

If your question is more "what constitutes underwear in the wizarding world" I think that's a completely valid question, given what we've heard about historical toilet habits.

See, the difference in Gen and Gin doesn't exist for me with Jenny and Ginny. I definitely say gen differently than gin, but I would say the Jen and Gin as Gin.

Just say Genny, then. Because that's how you'd say Jenny.

I assume the black parts in the picture linked above are an underdress of some kind, akin to any given chemise or kirtle throughout history. Like with comparable Muggle clothing, the undergarments aren't generally described in great detail--you'd say a princess is wearing a dress, not give a full run-down of every item even though she's likely to have several layers on. Likewise, in the HP world, wizards wear robes, and whatever structural or functional undergarments are implied. Dress robes are just fancier versions thereof.

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