[ SECRET POST #5519 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5519 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It's fine to like slash.

Even when some (let's stress *some*) slash-writers work really hard to trash or disappear any and all canon female characters in view.

Most nice things have a nasty streak in there somewhere, and most slash-writers are lovely people. And even when they're not, it's only fiction.

[(Anonymous)]

It's almost like many slash writers just aren't interested in the awesome ladies! Which they totally should pay a lot of attention to, am I right? It's a moral obligation, after all! /s

[(Anonymous)]

DA - You seem to be having an argument with yourself here, because your response definitely isn't connecting with anything AYRT said.

[(Anonymous)]

In all your attempts to be so witty~ and scathing with your sarcasm, you only managed to make yourself look like a fool by missing what AYRT was saying completely. They didn’t say or imply that female characters HAVE to be included in m/m, or made major characters when they are. They absolutely didn’t say that cool ladies should take center stage in slash. They implied no moral obligation, which you would have noticed if you weren’t too busy falling on your face trying to “dunk on the wokes”.

What AYRT was actually saying was that there’s always been, and still is, an annoying(and frankly disturbing) trend among certain slash writers(but not all, as AYRT specifically stated) to bash and/kill off female characters for “being in the way” of their slash/yaoi ships. It was always unnecessary, and detracted from the fics to have to have the romantic or smutty slashy goodness to be broken up by “and then this female character I hate was being a bitch and every other character suddenly always hated her like I did”. And there was always an undercurrent of self-misogyny and NLOG qualities in a lot of these fics as well, especially in the 2000s-early 2010s. And occasionally self-insert female OCs who are written to be cool and not like other girls because they weren’t girly, but mostly are just there to coo over the m/m couple in an uncomfortably fetishistic way, that sometimes speaks to how the author might view gay men IRL in a similar way. Note that I said this was occasional(the fetishizing real gay men part that is. The self-insert OCs were frequent), because the majority of slash fans treat real gay men as people and not objects, and have no trouble separating reality and fiction.

The Die For Our Ship and Real Women Never Wear Dresses tropes have gotten less prevalent over the years, thanks to it not being as cool to make fun of other women for their interests and fashion sense as it was, at least in most left-leaning circles. And slash fic doesn’t bash or kill of female characters and love interests just because they don’t like them or think they’re in the way of their ships nearly as much either. In fact, now that female character bashing isn’t as prevalent as it used to be in slashfic, fics focusing on m/m couples focus on women less, and spend more time actually focusing on the ship without going on those tangents.

And that’s good, and not something anyone is complaining about. Especially AYRT, which again, you would know if you choose to actually read and comprehend their comment instead of being in a rush to be pointlessly smarmy against an argument AYRT didn’t make. You sure showed that strawman who was boss!

[(Anonymous)]

I see people complaining about this supposed trend way more than I actually encounter it in the wild these days. The year 2000 is calling and it wants its argument back.

[(Anonymous)]

I did say that’s it’s not nearly as common as it was in the 2000s, though?