[ SECRET POST #5525 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5525 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

I think vampires and other immortal beings are a loophole for many--arguably most--people. For some reason there's this tacit understanding that the age of immortal beings doesn't really count. It counts just enough to give the characters something to angst over, but it doesn't really count, in the serious and immutable way that, say Buffy/Giles "counts."

Unless the immortal being looks old, then maybe it counts, lol.

It's silly and irrational, but it's such a fictional convention that a lot of people don't really feel the need to unpack it. Myself included. I mean, if treating the immense age gap between a human teenager and an immortal being seriously is something I want to do--something that will deepen my enjoyment of the story--then of course I'll do it. But if I don't feel like unpacking the reality of what a 17/104 age gap actually means, then I'm perfectly fine with accepting the irrational fictional convention of, like, shhh it's fine, he's a vampire, he looks young, it's whatever.

I mean, if the narrative itself is treating the age-gap genuinely seriously, then I'm probably going to treat it seriously, too. But if the narrative is basically handwaving it (the way most immortal!romance stories do), then I do not feel intellectually obligated to fight the narrative's take, unless I want to.

[(Anonymous)]

Another good point!

[(Anonymous)]

I enjoy your contributions to this thread, supportive anon! (not being sarcastic)

[(Anonymous)]

Although, if we're going strictly by actor age/vampire's apparent age, Angel and Spike were in their late 20s/early 30s when Buffy was a teenager.

Also there was that creepy flashback where Angel decided to start following Buffy around after spying on her sucking on a lollypop in the schoolyard for a bit.

Honestly, no one was into BtVS for the wholesome romantic relationships.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - Oh man, I always thought Angel/Liam was canonically supposed to have been eighteen or nineteen when he was turned. Now I find out he's canonically established to have been 26!

I honestly have so many more "uhh that's controversial" feelings from learning that Angel was 26/hundreds-of-years-undead when he got involved with 16yo Buffy than I ever had when I thought he was supposed to be 18/hundreds-of-years-undead. Lol!

there was that creepy flashback where Angel decided to start following Buffy around after spying on her sucking on a lollypop in the schoolyard for a bit.

OMG, I'm cackling. I honestly never would've framed it that way, and yet, your description is extremely accurate.

Honestly, no one was into BtVS for the wholesome romantic relationships.

IDK, I remember Buffy/Angel being very commonly characterized as True Love, and maybe not "wholesome" per se, but definitely pure and good and romantic--back in the late 90's and early 00's that is.

I myself was primarily a Spuffy shipper and was very much here for the fucked-up-ness of it all, but I shipped early-seasons Buffy/Angel, and most of the Bangel content I remember coming across at the time was very, like, Star-Crossed Tragic True Love.

[(Anonymous)]

I can remember an early 00s story that was, I think, primarily a Faith story, but Bangel was a main background pairing. Some characters were discussing the mechanics of vampire sex, and one of them said "It must be like fucking a popsicle" and that sentence has lived in the back of my skull ever since, just waiting for someone to bring up Bangel again.