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⌈ Secret Post #5527 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

If we wanna talk big changes, then I think the whole Théoden stuff is bigger than the changes to Denethor.

[(Anonymous)]

cough Scouring of the Shire cough

[(Anonymous)]

NGL, I understand the thematic reason behind the Scourging of the Shire, but it would NOT have worked in a film. The world gets saved, everyone finally gets to go to their homes.... aaaand imagine the film extending even more for an epilogue involving the shire. By that point, your audiences would be emotionally spent.

FFS, I still remember with fondness and humor when I watched Return of the King on the cinemas: People applauded wildly with the fade-to-black where Frodo and Samwise were assumed to have died, then when the eagles saved them, then when the Fellowship reunited, then when the coronation and marriage ceremony between Aragon and Galadriel was concluded... and by the time the film FINALLY ended, nobody applauded.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

It definitely wouldn't have worked in a film for pacing reasons, but I also think it wouldn't have worked because it didn't really fit with Peter Jackson's understanding of the trilogy, which is a deeper problem.

[(Anonymous)]

The book and the movies are telling broadly the same story, but for two very different generations and audiences. The movies' primary audience is a nation which has never faced the serious prospect of invasion in modern times, and it is one to whom an armed insurrection/resistance is a negative thing. Scouring really only works for a shared Commonwealth audience. Storytelling is a collaborative art, between teller and listener.

I'm not sure most of the US has the same anti-industrial, pro-rural idyll, mindset that the Commonwealth anglos have anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

Come on now, that's the level of nuance that would incapacitate a purist.

[(Anonymous)]

truth. Peter Jackson claimed to be a fan the way a lot of people claim to be fans, in that they read LOTR once or twice, but he had a fundamental misunderstanding of the books and the themes from the get-go. What makes me angry is that because so many people think his movies are flawless, there will never be another movie version of LOTR until long after I'm dead, and I will never see a version that has someone else's interpretation of the books. PJ's interpretation sucked. He turned Bree into a horror movie set instead of a last, final reminder of home before the actual terror began. He fundamentally did not understand why the elves are only seen sparingly, and for all his blather about being an irl hobbit, clearly did not understand anything about hobbits at all. Yes, I am forever salty and will be until the day I die.

[(Anonymous)]

If someone has a different understanding of the materials, even a misunderstanding I'll grant, they're a fake fan? You keep using the word "fundamental" but your examples are nitpicky and arguably the result of text-to-screen adaptation needs. You're the kind of purist that makes me want to agree with hater anon below.

[(Anonymous)]

Would you care to elaborate on what Jackson misunderstood? Genuinely asking, because I've read the books and seen the movies, but couldn't claim to be more than a casual fan myself.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt, and overall not unhappy with the adaptation, but Jackson's elf fetish does get a little overbearing at times.

[greghousesgf]

I'm not asking this to be nasty, I'm really curious. If you made a LOTR movie what would you have done differently?

[(Anonymous)]

Christ I hate book purists with a bloody passion and hope all your LotR books catch fire and burn to a crisp for this.

[(Anonymous)]

People disliking some aspects of the movies doesn't stop you from liking them

[(Anonymous)]

DA

You're just so annoying to listen to.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not about disliking things, it's how annoying and loud y'all are. You shout down anything that isn't 100% the same, even if it was done for reasons like "let there be something good in the end that didn't require even more bleakness after a major victory."

[(Anonymous)]

And you shout down everyone who doesn't agree with your opinions on why certain changes are totally awesome and cream yourself over spite-liking shit just to "stick it to the purists", how are you any less annoying?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm actually pretty fucking okay so long as you aren't fucking screaming endlessly about it being ruined. I have plenty of friends who don't like LotR because it's not accurate, but they also don't shove the opinion down my throat.

[(Anonymous)]

Nobody is shoving down your throat. You just can't expect to go online and into a discussion about something and never have any dissenting opinion other than yours.

[(Anonymous)]

We get it, J. R. R. Tolkien wrote holy immutable texts that can't be changed at all or it's the end of the world, and you're just declaring the Truth TM.

[(Anonymous)]

We get it, you just can't handle any criticism of your favourite movie and just have to lash out and insult everyone who doesn't worship YOUR fave version of a thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Touchy, much?

Are you sure you ever understood Tolkien at all?

[(Anonymous)]

Bro I wrote one sentence about how the Scouring of the Shire doesn't fit into Peter Jackson's interpretation of the books and you came in and responded, quote, "I hate book purists with a bloody passion and hope all your LotR books catch fire and burn to a crisp for this"

How are you going to have the nerve to come in and accuse other people of shouting things down or being unwilling to compromise

[(Anonymous)]

The marriage between aragorn and who now

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

Oops, Arwen. Forgot her name when writing that...

[greghousesgf]

I'm actually glad they left the scouring of the shire out of the movie, I know the political point Tolkien was trying to make and it's a valid one, but I hated that part of the book.