[ SECRET POST #5531 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5531 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

Part of the reason Mace got bodied was that he held Palpatine at bay because he was expecting Anakin to come in on his side. Palpatine held back because he knew he had Anakin in his pocket. Take Anakin out of the equation, and both of them have to be more, pardon the pun, forceful, so it would still come down to the wire.

Also, Yoda got damaged because he was already fighting with the handicap of exhaustion from the battle at the wookies and the emotional toll of seeing everything he'd tried to build torn down and his friends killed. Plus he was forced to fight on the battleground of Palpatine's choosing, and he still almost won there too. Palpatine got lucky, it could have gone either way on both fights. Anakin was the deciding factor. Leave him sweeping up bantha poodoo on Tattooine, and he's just another Darth Maul at worst, and just another faceless slave at the most likely.

Qui Gonn screwed the pooch by insisting he be part of the order and defying the council to teach him. The people of Alderaan thank you, Qui Gonn.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

Anakin might have been the deciding factor on the Mace fight, but again, without Anakin there wouldn't have been a Mace fight, since Mace didn't know until Anakin told him. And Order 66 had literally nothing to do with Anakin, so everything Yoda was dealing in his fight again had nothing to do with him.

There's a strong argument that turning Anakin is actually Palpatine's main mistake. In the prequels, it's the thing that actually alerts the Jedi Order to his existence while his plan still hangs in the balance and could yet fail. In the OT, having turned Vader and kept him at his side is literally what kills him.

The war, Order 66 and the fall of the Order did not depend on Anakin. The Emperor's death did.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

SA I would also argue that the main cause of the Order's fall, and the point where Qui Gon also screwed the pooch, was in their acceptance of slavery as a necessary evil. And no, I'm not talking about Anakin or even Shmi's slavery here, I'm talking about the literal slave army that they accepted the service of and that was promptly used to kill them. The fact that Anakin's fall mirrors it is because Anakin's fall is a symptom of the same underlying problem. Qui Gon, like Yoda before and after him, was perfectly fine with accepting Shmi's slavery as a consequence of getting what he thought he needed, ie Anakin. That was his mistake, the moment he screwed the pooch. And Yoda and the Jedi accepting the necessity of a tailor-made slave army built for the Jedi is what allowed Palpatine to murder almost all of them in one fell swoop.

Anakin's fall was not the cause of the Order's. Literally, he had nothing to do with the plan that actually killed them. His fall was a symptom of the same enemies and institutional problems that caused the Order's.