[ SECRET POST #5544 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5544 ⌋

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[Nathan Evans]












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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You can't really compare physically altering your body to wearing an outfit that shows off your legs/cleavage/what-have-you, though.

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AYRT

That's why I said "similar" not "the same" questions. The underlying concept is the same (women changing how they look to adhere to beauty standards at some cost).

[(Anonymous)]

but it isn't necessarily about beauty standards? sometimes it's as simple as "damn, my boobs look great in this shirt" or "this skirt makes my legs look like they go for miles and i like that."

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but why does it matter that your boobs look great or whether your legs are long?

[(Anonymous)]

why does anything matter

what kind of question is this

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DA

Another way of looking at it, I think, would be like body hair. I would say the majority of women I know who shave/wax their legs/pits/gooch have a multitude of reasons that they do so (that are all super-valid, to be clear) that tend to boil down to "I just feel cleaner when there's no hair on me."

The problem, if you want to call it that, is that it all comes from the social conditioning that female body hair is dirty. It's not a desire that would necessarily come intrinsically-- after all, if hair was naturally a dirty thing, wouldn't men largely get rid of it too? Wouldn't facial hair be considered filthy across the board, as opposed to seen as attractive (by society) on men and abhorrent on women?

So it's fine to be like "I feel clean/attractive when there's no hair on me," but that isn't something inborn, it's learned. Just as "I feel attractive when my breasts are on display" is totally valid, but it is learned.

[(Anonymous)]

"if hair was naturally a dirty thing, wouldn't men largely get rid of it too?"

let's be real here though, have you seen how gross men are in general? i very much doubt many of them would get rid of it when you consider that a lot of guys employ the sniff test to decide whether they should wear a shirt for the fourth day in a row.

[(Anonymous)]

... because people enjoy feeling like they look good and sometimes like to dress to show off parts of their body they like? i mean otherwise why don't we all just wear sacks?

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AYRT

It’s not that simple. Those thoughts don’t exist in a vacuum.

An anon further down mentioned women saying they shave because it feels “cleaner” even though there’s nothing unhygienic about body hair (as long as you, yknow, take care of it). How many women say that and yet don’t bother shaving during the winter? How many women say that and yet aren’t bothered by men’s body hair? Or the women who previously thought they wore makeup for themselves and then realized they wore it for everyone else once they were in quarantine/lockdown? With OP’s examples of female celebrities, how many of them were pressured by their team to show more skin? How many just-turned-18 celebrities are told they need to prove that they’re mature now by wearing revealing clothing?

(Here’s another angle to this, for thought—-look into the kawaii movement in Japan.)

I’m not here to judge any individual for dressing however they want. I simply want to encourage critical thinking about societal expectations and the influence they have on women’s choices. I myself got a nose job, shave when I’m going out in public, wear makeup for interviews, etc. so I’m not immune to that societal force. I just think it’s worthwhile to look more closely at it.

[(Anonymous)]

Stop saying things "don't exist in a vacuum" it's incredibly condescending. Most of us have thought long and hard about the reasons for our preferences, because they're constantly questioned, like they are being questioned right here. I know I might have been brainwashed into thinking I like putting on lipstick because society told me I should, but realizing that didn't make me stop liking lipstick, and I'd rather focus on improving the future for what women are free to do than training my brain out of liking lipstick, which isn't even a bad thing by itself.

[(Anonymous)]

Judging by many of the replies to this secret/my comment, including, "anyone who thinks about this is just jealous", no, I don't think most people have thought deeply about this. Society rewards you for adhering to these standards; you're far more likely to be "questioned" for not adhering, such as if you choose not to wear makeup to work or don't shave your armpits/legs at the beach.

Is there any reason why we can't criticize beauty standards for women AND improve women's freedom in general? Is that not a part of women's freedom--to not have overwhelming societal pressure to look a certain way? It's not the most important aspect, but disregarding it entirely as irrelevant makes no sense.

[(Anonymous)]

if you got a nose job you're really not in any position to be judging other women for wearing sexy clothing

[(Anonymous)]

That's not what they're doing, dumbfuck. Stop being so defensive.

[(Anonymous)]

...I'm not judging anyone. I'm trying to encourage people to critically examine the beauty standards imposed on women as a group, not singling out individuals for whom reasons are complex and nuanced. You, however, seem to be judging me quite a bit for a choice that I made for myself. Why?

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DA

speaking of altering bodies, i hope one day women can stop waxing their body hair and be seen as beautiful