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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2009-03-29 05:32 pm

[ SECRET POST #814 ]


⌈ Secret Post #814 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Re: 111 fails so hard

[identity profile] bamf-girl.livejournal.com 2009-03-29 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Because he totally did it, he didn't get off her the minute she said "you aren't gonna rape me," with no intention of actually raping her to begin with. Nevermind that he did it to teach her the dynamics of female expectations, fuck all that! He's just a filthy rapist! Idiot.

Re: 111 fails so hard

[identity profile] duhliekwoah.livejournal.com 2009-03-29 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
He pretended he was going to rape her. Had Haruhi been any less of a badass, she would have been scared out of her mind. And you think that's ok? Not only that, but you're okay with him doing something that sick just to teach her a sexist lesson and (again) put her on her place?

Fuck, I don't even know what to say. I just hope no-one even tries to do to you what he threatened to do to Haruhi. I get the feeling you'd blame yourself. No-one should go through that.

Re: 111 fails so hard

[identity profile] bamf-girl.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 10:54 am (UTC)(link)
It may be a sexist lesson, but it's relevant to Japanese culture's views for women. Again, he had no intention of actually raping her, and didn't get very far along into the process at all. He wasn't trying to say "sit there and be a useless vessel for baby making", it was like, "Look lady, you can't do everything a man does, because you are not a man." And this is true. She can think she can, but when it comes down to physically doing it, she couldn't have beaten the shit out of those guys. Try and tell me she could, since she's tiny as shit, and has no training for fighting or self defense. She couldn't do it, and Tamaki and the twins stepped in to freaking help her. She was out of line, not them.

Re: 111 fails so hard

[identity profile] lanjelin.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 02:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Imagine if she'd been a man, then? Same size and everything, but simply of a different gender? What would have happened then, do you think?

Re: 111 fails so hard

[identity profile] lanjelin.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
The dynamics of female expectations?? Are you serious? Do you honestly believe that women should be brought up as automatic victims?

Re: 111 fails so hard

[identity profile] bamf-girl.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 10:49 am (UTC)(link)
No, but I believe women have different societal expectations to meet than men, because it's true.

Re: 111 fails so hard

[identity profile] lanjelin.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 02:40 pm (UTC)(link)
In certain circles, yes, this is true. It's also a really big problem, and not something to be encouraged, or even accepted. Bringing women up to live in fear and believing we're unable to defend ourselves and/or other people is damaging, and a big part of why we're still so far from being on equal standing with men.

Plus, it's not true. Most violence and attacks are done to young men, not young women. They're more badly and more often hurt, but are they walking around in fear all the time? No, quite the opposite, I'd say.

Strength is not the most important thing when it comes to defending yourself and others, but attitude. I've dominated in confrontations many times, and I'm a small woman. Men twice my size have backed down, and I even threw one out of a private party with force.

Falsely giving women the impression that we're automatically going to lose a confrontation with a man is horrible. We're brainwashed into becoming victims.

Re: 111 fails so hard

[identity profile] bamf-girl.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Well that's all well and good, but it doesn't change the fact that she would've gotten her ass handed to her. Obviously those guys weren't interested in what girls or tiny boys wanted, seeing as they started advancing. She can "attitude" them all she wants, but most likely, those guys are thugs that won't have any of it.

Re: 111 fails so hard

[identity profile] lanjelin.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
We'll never know, will we? That's not the message the anime chose to promote. While male main characters are constantly facing overwhelming odds, and enemies much stronger than themselves that they're supposed to overcome, female characters are constantly told that they can't do the same.