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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2022-04-03 02:44 pm

[ SECRET POST #5567 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5567 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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(image is from The Story of Yanxi Palace)


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[image is from One Piece]


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[Mo Dao Zu Shi/The Untamed]


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[Centaurworld]


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[Hogwarts Legacy]


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[How I Met Your Mother]
















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(Anonymous) 2022-04-03 07:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I blame twitter and the easy access it provided to professional content creators and actors. Closing the distance between the creator and the fans was good in some ways - more accountability for lack of diversity, for one - but terrible in others.

One of those negatives was that people grew used to an online environment where you could directly tweet at people to demand what you wanted to see, and sometimes you got what you wanted. They then classed fanfic writers in the same category, and felt entitled to demand if them as well as they didn't see them as any different to the paid professionals.

Add to that the increase in performative morality, an increase in right-wing activity, and an increase in younger audience members (who have less general awareness of grey areas and are more primed to follow the popular crowd) and this is what you get.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-03 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
As far as the creators being accessible on Twitter goes, fans can lobby for whatever they like, but there's no obligation to give it to them.

Conversely, there sure are a lot of creators (specifically writing teams for TV shows) who love the adulation and likes and shares and shit. They feed off that energy and encourage it by interacting with fans to stoke their egos. They're perfectly welcome to use social media anonymously or ignore fans, but they don't, so I feel zero pity for them.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-03 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not about pity, and I'm not saying that being able to have direct contact with paid professional directors and scriptwriters and actors and producers etc etc etc is a bad thing (even if a disapproving tweet is waaaay less influential than people like to think it is!).

What I'm saying is that the current environment is this: fans are able to hold paid professionals to a standard and see other people agreeing and supporting them. That's good! Fans are also assuming as a result that they can hold other fans and their amateur works to the same standards. That's bad! Fandom is about fun and should be accessible for all, not gatekept by people who think if something isn't directly and explicitly for them, it is Bad and should be punished.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-03 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
fans are able to hold paid professionals to a standard and see other people agreeing and supporting them.

This seems overly optimistic to me. I see a lot less holding professionals to a high standard and a lot more "you didn't make my pairing canon so you should kill yourself."

(Anonymous) 2022-04-03 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm being generous here - far too many people go the "K1lL UrS3lf!!!" route, but being able to cheaply and easily say "hey, that was racist/sexist/homophobic, do better" isn't entirely negative.

(Anonymous) 2022-04-03 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
(cozy werewolf anon)

There's another side to this too, both in trad and indie publishing spaces. In trad publishing, publishers are at least giving the appearance they want big social media followings before signing you and are having authors do MOST of their own marketing work. And then on top of it, instead of waiting for "once published" sales to see what the next book print run and the author's advance will be, they're using PRE-Sales. It's nuts. We had this happen with comics and see how that turned out. And whether or not these "Big social media influencers" work is any good is debatable.

Then in Indie spaces, people are demanding the amount of Fandom space work (think 1 or 2 updates to an original story a week if you post on Royal Road) at the same quality of traditional published work. Or if you're posting on Amazon, you're probably going to be posting 4 books a year and even at 40K works each, that's 160K words a year which can be ONE long book in trad spaces that takes a year to two years to come out. So, this combo of fan demand and algorithms just leads to burn out. And if you don't cater to it, you're dead in the water.

The book industry at least is a mess. (And so is games, and so is hollywood.)

(Anonymous) 2022-04-03 07:40 pm (UTC)(link)
+1000