[ SECRET POST #815 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #815 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

101.
[Weird Al Yankovic and Stephen Colbert]


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102. [repeat]


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[Yu-Gi-Oh]


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108.
[Rachael Maddow]


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110.
[The Office]


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119.
[Phantom of the Opera]


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[previously linked wrong]


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127.
[hunter s. thompson]


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134.
[Hotel Babylon]


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137. [repeat]


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138.
[jake hurwitz]


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[but why not the men?]


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[Naruto]


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[Naruto]


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[Jade Goody]


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[previously linked wrong]


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[High School Musical]



Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 11 pages, 275 secrets from Secret Submission Post #116.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 4 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - doing it wrong ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: 119.

[nirejseki.livejournal.com]

I think it's not the same thing, though I haven't seen the current Robin Hood. Perhaps the question you should be asking is why ALW decided to put in a sincerely romantic twist on the story, which in the book is little more than a report about a creepy serial killer who actually states that he's not in love with Christine - he just wants to be like everyone else, and everyone else has a nice little wife that they can go out with on Sundays. It's not romantic in the least, and there was almost no one who claimed that it was a romantic book before the musical.

The musical, on the other hand, deliberately portrays Christine and Erik as being affectionate, as Erik being needy and actually loving her but not knowing how to express it...the majority of people who ship it (I do not, personally. I ship Erik/Victor Hugo. But I'm weird!) probably do so because they sympathize not with the stalking but with the inability to express affection, being disliked for one's looks, and being passed over for the "pretty" one (it's a great musical to take teens to). Not to mention the fact that Christine and Raoul in the musical are both rather, well, stupid. The only character with any personality (and often enough, singing talent) in the musical is the Phantom, so people sympathize with him - even though intellectually speaking, it's wrong. Because in the musical, you don't think about the creepiness of the whole thing - Phantom isn't twice her age, he's young and attractive!, etc. - you just sink into the show and accept ALW's message (which is very Christine/Erik - look at his plans for "new Phantom", it's exactly what OP is ranting about. So terrible. So needless. *sigh*)

Besides, the way I view it, there has to be SOME reason that Twilight is popular with a certain group, and that group is often usually those super-romantics who try to "redeem" Erik and have him "save" Christine from the abusive Raoul - note how the whole schema is changed! Most of the people OP is complaining about don't LIKE the stalking/domestic abuse - they pretend it doesn't exist! In fact, they make Raoul abusive, and then when Christine returns to Erik he is "protective" of her rather than domineering.

...basically what I'm saying is I don't think that most people find stalking/domestic abuse attractive. They find the character of the Phantom attractive, because he is portrayed as being the attractive protagonist - not antagonist - of Phantom of Opera, and then they try to write fic about him becoming happy, which some of them view as requiring Christine - so they change things and make it happy. While ignoring certain other aspects.

Then they try to rationalize it. The best argument I've seen for it being at all "romantic" has been the argument made elsewhere on this page by someone who pointed out that, technically speaking, nobody ever doubts that Othello loved Desdemona. The problem was the opposite - except Erik had his Iago already in his own mind.

Re: the other fandom - I have not seen, I cannot comment, I don't even know what's going on. Each fandom has its shipping wars, though, and I know how that is, so good luck to...well, whoever.