[ SECRET POST #815 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #815 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Weird Al Yankovic and Stephen Colbert]


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[Yu-Gi-Oh]


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[Rachael Maddow]


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[The Office]


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[Phantom of the Opera]


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[previously linked wrong]


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[hunter s. thompson]


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[Hotel Babylon]


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[jake hurwitz]


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[but why not the men?]


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[Naruto]


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[Naruto]


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[Jade Goody]


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[previously linked wrong]


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[High School Musical]



Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 11 pages, 275 secrets from Secret Submission Post #116.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 4 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - doing it wrong ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[jlh.livejournal.com]

I'm really sorry—I seem to have wandered into an ongoing argument that I have nothing to do with. I should have emphasized that I don't like action/adventure shows full stop; that I don't think of DS9 as such a show; that I misread the secret and thought the Candice Bergen picture was from Boston Legal; and that I don't know who these fandom feminists are, but I don't think there's anything wrong with liking Lily and Robin from HIMYM even though most of what that show is concerned with is relationships. Hopefully that doesn't make them "plot coupons" or "love interests"; I would argue that they have other things going on, and that there isn't really a male hero. I mean, I'd argue that about the women on Friends or any number of other shows, but I'm not sure I'd win that argument, because I'm not sure what the terms are.

So, in short, sorry.

[musical-emjay.livejournal.com]

Errm, I wasn't actually responding to you in particular, just agreeing with ataniell93's comment, but I'm sorry if you feel unduly attacked :/ *wince*

I don't watch HIMYM, so I can't speak authoritatively about Lily and Robin, but from what I can tell they seem to be fully fleshed characters, and fully fleshed people in their own right, which is all that I really ask for in a female character, whether she be a kick-ass-take-names type or not. The problem for me is when female characters get inserted into a show for the sole purpose of being the "love interest" or the "sexy foil" to the main male character, which is an issue that runs rampant in a lot of action/adventure/sci-fi shows. So, for me, that's where I draw the line.

I will admit though that the OP is a little unclear, so I don't think you should have to apologize for walking into this discussion a little confused.

[cleverthylacine]

I think there's a difference if the whole show is about relationships. I kind of hate romantic comedies and sitcoms, but if the male characters and female characters are equally well fleshed out and equally relationship oriented, then nobody is a "love interest".

I also don't think there's anything wrong with liking any character. It's when you hate on other real life flesh and blood women and imply that they hate other real life flesh and blood women and hate their own bodies because they don't like the female characters that you like, or because they prefer slash to het, that I get pissed off and judge you :) You can like women as people in the real world perfectly fine and still be annoyed with the thinly characterised females on some shows or have a kink for gay porn. (IME gals who only like slash regardless of the fandom are usually reading fanfic to get off and are just like the guys who only watch lesbian porn, but nobody says they hate their penises. I do like het, but I generally dislike *canon* het because in most of my geek-oriented fandoms the women are written as Love Interests first, characters second, and are definitely 'supporting cast' if not outright 'plot coupons'.)