[ SECRET POST #815 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #815 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Weird Al Yankovic and Stephen Colbert]


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[Yu-Gi-Oh]


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[Rachael Maddow]


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[The Office]


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[Phantom of the Opera]


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[previously linked wrong]


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[hunter s. thompson]


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[Hotel Babylon]


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[jake hurwitz]


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[but why not the men?]


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[Naruto]


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[Naruto]


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[Jade Goody]


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[previously linked wrong]


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[High School Musical]



Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 11 pages, 275 secrets from Secret Submission Post #116.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 4 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - doing it wrong ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[musical-emjay.livejournal.com]

Ho'shit, you just took the words right out of my mouth.

Also, I feel as though I should add that these "plot coupons" instantly become "invalid" as soon as the male hero decides he doesn't want to fuck them. Because god knows, female characters are only relevant or powerful or interesting when they act as fuck-holes for the men. Once that option is gone, they should just die or disappear, because it would be too much effort to write them as PEOPLE first and ~SEXY VAGINAS~ second.

[jlh.livejournal.com]

I'm really sorry—I seem to have wandered into an ongoing argument that I have nothing to do with. I should have emphasized that I don't like action/adventure shows full stop; that I don't think of DS9 as such a show; that I misread the secret and thought the Candice Bergen picture was from Boston Legal; and that I don't know who these fandom feminists are, but I don't think there's anything wrong with liking Lily and Robin from HIMYM even though most of what that show is concerned with is relationships. Hopefully that doesn't make them "plot coupons" or "love interests"; I would argue that they have other things going on, and that there isn't really a male hero. I mean, I'd argue that about the women on Friends or any number of other shows, but I'm not sure I'd win that argument, because I'm not sure what the terms are.

So, in short, sorry.

[musical-emjay.livejournal.com]

Errm, I wasn't actually responding to you in particular, just agreeing with ataniell93's comment, but I'm sorry if you feel unduly attacked :/ *wince*

I don't watch HIMYM, so I can't speak authoritatively about Lily and Robin, but from what I can tell they seem to be fully fleshed characters, and fully fleshed people in their own right, which is all that I really ask for in a female character, whether she be a kick-ass-take-names type or not. The problem for me is when female characters get inserted into a show for the sole purpose of being the "love interest" or the "sexy foil" to the main male character, which is an issue that runs rampant in a lot of action/adventure/sci-fi shows. So, for me, that's where I draw the line.

I will admit though that the OP is a little unclear, so I don't think you should have to apologize for walking into this discussion a little confused.

[cleverthylacine]

I think there's a difference if the whole show is about relationships. I kind of hate romantic comedies and sitcoms, but if the male characters and female characters are equally well fleshed out and equally relationship oriented, then nobody is a "love interest".

I also don't think there's anything wrong with liking any character. It's when you hate on other real life flesh and blood women and imply that they hate other real life flesh and blood women and hate their own bodies because they don't like the female characters that you like, or because they prefer slash to het, that I get pissed off and judge you :) You can like women as people in the real world perfectly fine and still be annoyed with the thinly characterised females on some shows or have a kink for gay porn. (IME gals who only like slash regardless of the fandom are usually reading fanfic to get off and are just like the guys who only watch lesbian porn, but nobody says they hate their penises. I do like het, but I generally dislike *canon* het because in most of my geek-oriented fandoms the women are written as Love Interests first, characters second, and are definitely 'supporting cast' if not outright 'plot coupons'.)

[cleverthylacine]

I often feel like the only person in SPN fandom who is bitter about Jo not because I wanted her to get with Dean (ew, no thanks) but because they took her away just as she was getting interesting, growing up and developing a personality of her own instead of trying to be Dean with tits. In my personal canon, she realised sometime after Sam and she had that close encounter of the creepy kind that she didn't want to date a Winchester, she wanted to BE one, and shortly after that, she started dating girls :) I want her back, but not for Dean, for her own bad self. And I want Ellen and Missouri back, but of course they're not 'hot' enough for the CW. Despite the fact that I ship John/Missouri like FedEx.

But I like Wincest, so clearly all my complaints about casting and writing of females in SPN must be dismissed because I'm terrified my OTP won't happen. As if I am dumb enough to seriously think they'll do that on primetime network TV. Though in my opinion they came damn close. Very telling when the demon who wanted to seduce Dean away from Sam took the form of a guy, not a girl, and attacked his relationship with Sam, after attacking the love relationships of its earlier victims...things that make you go HMMM....

[musical-emjay.livejournal.com]

Ahahaha, "things that make you go HMMM" indeed ;D

Ugh, I'm so with you on Jo! I did not buy the "romantic tension" between her and Dean in the LEAST, so I definitely didn't want that to happen, but COME ON, SPN WRITERS! She could have been an awesome character! If they actually seriously CARED about having good female characters on their show, they wouldn't have dropped her like a hot potato as soon as her and Dean fucking was no longer on the table. They would have pulled up their big boy/big girl pants, admitted that the whole "love interest" thing was a wash, and then written her as a PERSON, someone who has a desire to hunt and be successful at it, who has a desire to follow in her father's footsteps and save people just as much as Sam and Dean do. She could have been the most awesome pseudo-sister character, or a badass competent ALLY character, but nope, oops, she's a GIRL! And we don't know how to write ~girl characters~ unless they're somehow sexually involved with our lead male, or are HOPING to be sexually involved. Because girls don't have any wants or talents or agency outside of being in a relationship with a man, silly goose!

(See also: my raaaaaage about the Sam and Ruby relationship being so heavily sexualized. Way to fucking drop the ball on that one, SPN writers >:/)

And hot damn, what I wouldn't give for Ellen or Missouri to show up again. GIVE THEM TO MEEEE.