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⌈ Secret Post #5571 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

And I think the first commentor kinda has it as to why too.

Not really.

[(Anonymous)]

White rapist=Oscar worthy and gets prestige films.
Black man retaliates over nasty joke about his wife's medical condition = must destroy his whole career.

Yeah, nothing racist there at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Not really.

There are also plenty of white people who thought nothing Will Smith did was wrong. It's a cultural and regional difference - which, of course, in the United States, means that it also has racial dimensions, and there are some people who reacted to it in a racialized way, I'm certainly not going to say Judd Apatow isn't an asshole. But it's way too simplistic to explain the difference entirely in racial terms. People have dramatically different views on when violence is justified based on their backgrounds, for instance, big differences between Southern vs West Coast / New England, and middle class vs working class.

And then in the other direction, I don't think the failure of Hollywood and America as a whole to come to grips with sexual assault and violence against women is something that can be explained primarily through reference to whiteness. It's a consequence of misogyny and patriarchy and shitty ideas about power and accountability and who gets to do what. And again, all of those things are racialized to a degree in America, but not to the extent that all of this is just about race. It's not like letting powerful people off the hook for abuse of women is an exclusively white thing.

[philstar22]

I'd also add that there is some misogyny in responses to Will (as well as with what Will did in the first place). Whether or not it is a husband's "job" to protect "his wife's honor" is absolutely an issue of misogyny. So there are all sorts of power dynamics floating around here.

[(Anonymous)]

This, exactly. Also, the cases that are being brought up in the whataboutism posts didn't happen in public on national TV, to my knowledge. But apparently, a lot of people do think it's totally acceptable for a Black man to strike another Black man in public just because he was angry.

[(Anonymous)]

THANK YOU. It was toxic masculinity, pure and simple. Jada is a grown woman who can decide for herself how to handle a situation like that, but he took that agency away from her because he thought HE knew how it should be handled.

It would be a different story entirely if SHE had been the one who had gotten up on stage and slapped Chris Rock.

[(Anonymous)]

Counterpoint: I saw a really interesting video by a black woman arguing that black women are, on the whole, not used to being defended by anyone and very tired of always fighting their own battles alone, so it was refreshing to see Will stand up for Jada instead of her having to do it for herself AGAIN. That video was more about the world generally than this case in particular so I don't know if it was a good take or not (I am an old white single lady so I dunno) -- but I did think it was an interesting perspective.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

But that is an interesting and good counterpoint!

[(Anonymous)]

Eh. There's a pretty big difference between defending and escalating. Standing up and calling Chris out and saying that joke wasn't cool and why would've been fine - no one would have argued against that and in fact probably would've universally praised it.

But getting physical when in no way was that called for? Not cool.

[(Anonymous)]

It's also kinda gross that the misogyny and violence against women by other men is being used as a gotcha to make accusations of racism. I wonder if they care about what those other men did outside of the fact that they can weaponize it to defend another actor they like.

[(Anonymous)]

So much this! Sadly, it doesn't surprise me, though.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000000

[(Anonymous)]

It's white people who want to show off how woke they are who are primarily pretending this was made into a bigger outrage than it really was. The slap is mostly joked about and memed already. Will Smith is in no danger of being canceled by any group. Are there huge memes around the fact that any famous white guys are rapists, where the rape is the haha-funny part of the meme?

[(Anonymous)]

Except some people are genuinely treating it like a huge deal, and nobody has to pretend it was a big outrage because it was, OP isn’t pulling this from nowhere. That doesn’t mean that white people aren’t trying to show off how woke they are, or that it hasn’t been massively memed and joked about. None of these things are mutually exclusive.

[(Anonymous)]

But physically assaulting someone on national television should be a great deal and you can bet your ads that the people complaining about racism now would have had the pitchforks at the ready if some white dude, say, Chris Prat, had gone up on stage to slap someone.

[(Anonymous)]

I don’t disagree at all.

[(Anonymous)]

If this very same thing had happened and gotten the very same reaction from the public, and the only difference was that it was two white guys, you would be commenting right now about how everyone would be treating it much worse if a black guy had done it.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I would be commenting that? I don't think I would.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, this is some major bad faith.

[(Anonymous)]

This is a strange comment that I don’t quite get.

[(Anonymous)]

The point is that Will Smith got the exact same reaction for what he did as a white celebrity would have gotten. Some people think it was a little bit of an overreaction and are tut-tutting about it, a tiny minority think we aren't taking this seriously enough and he should be punished more harshly, and almost everyone else is defending him or just enjoying in the drama the scene created.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

And the further point is that some people will always make something like this about race. Since a black person did it, they're only focusing on the minority who are critical of Smith, pretending that minority is everyone, and insinuating that everyone would be more lenient if Smith had been white. If a white person had done it, they would have focused on the majority not taking it seriously, and declared the majority racist through their divine knowledge that the majority would be out for blood if the white person had been black.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes really. Sticking your head in the sand is a bad look.

[(Anonymous)]

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