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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2022-04-17 04:18 pm

[ SECRET POST #5581 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5581 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Re: Fantastic Flops and Who Saw it?

(Anonymous) 2022-04-18 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
"hardcore HP fans" and "extremely online" is nearly a 100% overlap.

It really, really isn't.

Re: Fantastic Flops and Who Saw it?

(Anonymous) 2022-04-18 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
And you’re basing this on what?

Re: Fantastic Flops and Who Saw it?

(Anonymous) 2022-04-18 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
The fact that Harry Potter was and continues to be a giant cultural phenomenon? The assumption that online fandom is even relevant is peek fandom arrogance.

Or do you really think a handful of obsessively online weirdoes actually fuel the merch-themepark-movies machine?

Re: Fantastic Flops and Who Saw it?

(Anonymous) 2022-04-18 05:45 am (UTC)(link)
But you’re missing the part where ayrt said “hardcore” Harry Potter fans. Being a hardcore fan doesn’t necessarily mean being online, sure. But there is and has been a preponderance for the most passionate and dedicated fans to congregate together to squee, collect every piece of content, and discuss every new thing that’s related to the thing they’re a fan of. And ever since the internet was created, that’s been one of the most common places to do that. So unless these hardcore fans insulate themselves from everything that happens outside the world of HP, even if it concerns the very author of the books, it stands to reason that most hardcore HP fans would know about JKR’s Twitter tirades. Ayrt was exaggerating when they said there’s a 100% overlap, but they weren’t basing their view that many hardcore HP fans are online on nothing.

It doesn’t take being a hardcore fan to just enjoy and like a franchise, to go to a theme park. It just takes a normal fan. Normal enthusiasts and casual fans of things make up the majority of what makes something popular, and what makes something a cultural phenomenon. Not hardcore fans. Unless you really think that there are millions of hardcore fans making up the HP fandom, instead of the majority being general fans who enjoy the franchise, but don’t give two shits about following anything behind the scenes involving the creator. And probably don’t even know there is a controversy involving her at all, because they only care about the books, the movies, buying cool merch for themselves and/or their kids, and enjoying going to the parks on their vacations.

Nobody said “a handful of obsessively online weirdoes actually fuel the merch-themepark-movies machine?”, because nobody was talking about the entire HP fandom. Just hardcore fans.

So I asked what you’re basing your comment on, and I still don’t really see a clear answer. Because you lumped hardcore fans and general fans in with each other, when they’re very different things. The difference between a fan and a fanatic are distinct.

And what exactly do you mean when you say it’s arrogant to think online fandom is relevant? It’s not an assumption when it’s true. It’s not as relevant as the much larger general fandom, of course. But relevance isn’t always proportional to size. Saying something is completely irrelevant because it’s smaller than something else is honestly kind of arrogant in a way, because it’s looking down on something for it’s size. I know you didn’t mean it that way, and you weren’t actually being arrogant as a result, but it could read that way. You deserve the benefit of the doubt, because there’s no reason for me to assume that’s what you meant just because it could possibly be read that way.

This is my view, and I’m not the anon you originally responded to, just the one who asked you the question. That’s completely my bad for not putting “ayrt” or “DA” in. But since I just asked you what you were basing your opinion and thoughts on, I don’t know why you felt the need to immediately go for insults by calling me(or ayrt) arrogant. That’s unnecessary, and it make your comment seem angrier than you likely intended.