[ SECRET POST #5601 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5601 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. She's a flipping Mary Sue and it's painful.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure I'd go quite that far, but making her Spock's secret human sister makes it an easy accusation to make (and harder than it ought to be to defend against). That was the plot of so many bad self-insert fanfics, a cursory google would have told the producers that. They started the character with a stale premise, at best, or a bad joke of one at worst. It is hard to recover from that. And it was a very bad idea to have her act against Jason Isaacs in her first season too; it is no fault of Isaacs', but he has such a huge amount of charisma and is such a natural actor that he completely overshadowed her.

[philstar22]

I do agree with this. The show got better after the first season. She got more interesting, and Isaacs wasn't there to overshadow her. I adore Isaacs. I'll watch him in anything. He's an amazing actor. But he was just too good an actor in this case.

[(Anonymous)]

Everything about her character and the plots of the first season screamed Mary Sue to me, not just the awful awful Spock's secret sister thing.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't go here but isn't she the lead character

[(Anonymous)]

Yes?

[(Anonymous)]

Well, it always seems really difficult to me to call the lead character of something a Mary Sue

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like the potential was there but was missed as the series progressed.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. I think the writing team has really struggled to come up with a real character for her. I don't think it is the actors fault, but the writing has not been her friend. They seem to have a dartboard of character traits and they just throw a dart at the board each season, and whatever it hits is what will be her deal that year. Even Captain Freeman from Lower Decks has a more complex character and character arc. The cartoon does Black representation better than the live action.

[(Anonymous)]

It's definitely not the actor's fault. It's 100% the writing.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't mind the character but I think her entire backstory with Spock was an unnecessary plot that made the overall story less interesting. But I've always hated introducing characters who were related to characters from a previous series in a franchise.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed, I would have been 100% uninterested in TNG if they'd made Picard Kirk's grandkid as example. It would have killed the show dead.

[des_pudels_kern]

Picard S2 had a Soong (played by Spinner, of course) a soongian science project played by Isa Briones (who played Soji, Data's 'daughter', in S1), and Picard's great-something grandmother from the 21st century (and hours spent in Picard's mind with his mother and father).

It was like watching a telenovela.

[(Anonymous)]

but she's sooo pretty

[(Anonymous)]

Hear, hear!

[(Anonymous)]

Damn, you got shit taste.

[(Anonymous)]

Not really?

[(Anonymous)]

I like Burnham herself a lot! I like that she's incredibly brave and tough, but also self-sacrificing in a dumb way because deep down she thinks that she's right and everyone else is wrong, and all her plans involve putting herself at huge risk. She's a bad team player and overrides other people even when their objections are good. She's smart and plans well. She thinks she has high standards but in reality throw the standards away and intellectually justify things to herself (like bringing Emperor Georgiou and her mutiny) when in reality it was an emotional reaction. She hates people telling her what to do unless she agrees with it, which is a bad thing in Starfleet!

The thing I don't like is when the show decides to have people talk about how great Burnham is.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes! She is interesting character, but plot mostly do not know what to do with that

[dantesspirit]

We like the show as is, but obviously, it's not going to be everyone's cup of tea, so to speak.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, the problem was the writers who thought they were writing epic space war (read Star Wars) instead of (cultural) space exploration which is what Star Trek is all about.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure sure. Star Trek shouldn't do epic space opera action stuff. That's why Wrath of Khan, The Undiscovered Country and First Contact are widely considered the worst parts of the Star Trek franchise.