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[ SECRET POST #5609 ]

⌈ Secret Post #5609 ⌋

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You're not alone, OP. Darker media doesn't seem to be faring too well on many ends, lately.

The Last Duel bombed in theaters, and Ridley Scott's excuse was that "Zoomers and Millennials were all on their cellphones"... with the real problem being not only being released during the Covid-19 pandemic, but being another of those "GRIMDARK ASSHOLES AND UGLY SHIT IS REALISM" works of media.

(As a personal side-note, you have no idea how much I hate the "great art = realism = grimdark" current of thought has polluted media everywhere.)

IMO, films and a lot of series have forgotten something I call the "Avatar: The Last Airbender" rating. In that you can make a work that is lighthearted, adventurous, and even funny, that can also tread serious subjects such as abuse and genocide... and still be something that the whole family can enjoy.

Still, I can see your point. People want lighthearted stuff, now, and hell, even lighthearted and even optimistic works can still be great works of art. The Good Place is a really funny and intelligent show that is also optimistic and humanist at its core, and is far better written and far better researched in the matters of philosophy and ethics than a lot of grimdark shit is.

The Last Duel ought to have been an indie flick on a quarter of the budget. Seriously, where did they spend the money on that one? Did it all go on unconvincing facial wigs for Damon?

Hollywood accounting. It's an art of its own. You joke, but actors are a BIG part behind sinking budgets.

And don't even get me started on animation. I remember being torn between watching The Lego Movie, Zootopia, and Deadpool at the points they were released.... and note how the first two movies, that Oscar hacks constantly belittle and say are for little children, had far better and far more nuanced writing than Deadpool had.

Lego Movie spoke of individualism, corporate overreach, propaganda, and clever satire using all LEGO had; Zootopia had commentary on racial tensions and some of the best worldbuilding I had ever seen... And Deadpool had a "look at this trope! Isn't it funny how am I calling it out?"

Zootopia had an absolutely appalling level of copaganda in it though, I will scorn it forever for that. Evidence obtained under threat of murder by a mob boss in front of a cop and at a cop's instigation. Entrapment. Illegal surveillance. Oh it had it all.

This.

Reckless pursuits, quota farming, illegal search and seizure, profiling, etc.

I think you replied to the wrong person.

Why are we comparing Deadpool and animated films? They're not even the same genre? Just because awards programs (that seem to be more about the who's who and money than actual real guidelines of films being best at anything) shit on animated films doesn't mean DP and Zootopia have anything in common to begin with...

This. What a weird and kinda silly take ayrt is trying to make.

I like all three of those movies. I love Deadpool and The Lego Movie, and I liked Zootopia. Although I think it’s a bit overrated in general, it was legitimately great in a lot of ways. Either way, this comparison is random, and has no actual connection. Especially because Deadpool is still a comedy, so it’s not the dark stories OP is talking about at all. Granted, it is a darker comedy for adults, but the comedy is just as often silly than cynical. So it still doesn’t work as this comparison you’re trying to make. But you still decided to try to use it anyways, and it feels like it’s because you just really hate it, and may possibly be a bit quick to bring it up as a result? Are you the anon who left a secret when the sequel was out saying something like “I’m glad people don’t like the second one, because I’m hoping that will make them see the first one was bad too”? (If that wasn’t you, you can ignore this part.)

Because that was still not based on anything real like box office numbers or audience scores and reviews, which were generally positive, if less so than the first. But that’s normal for sequels, because most sequels to well-received works don’t do as well, even if they’re still liked. So that secret always felt kind of presumptuous and smug, while jumping the gun. It’s obviously perfectly fine and understandable if you don’t like them, regardless. Those movies aren’t exactly high art, and can get stupid, as enjoyable as I find them. But the addition of Deadpool when it doesn’t fit in the discussion based on this secret feels like a...personal thing?

I admit my problem was the perception that Deadpool is live-action, adult-rated and gritty, and therefore a "better" movie than the previous two I mentioned. This is a line of thought the people at the Oscars genuinely have, and they voiced even worse things during the animation panel. In here, you still get shit if you mention you like non-adult animation.

I still remember a vacation I had with my uni group in Las Vegas, and asking to change the channel to Cartoon Network. At first, my friend and roommate made fun of me, calling me a baby for liking cartoons... until he saw Tom and Jerry on screen and was horrified by the slapstick that was common in that show.

I never saw the second Deadpool film, and I didn't see the secret you mention. My problem with Deadpool was that, in retrospective after having seen the three films I mentioned, I realized those two animated children's films left me with more to think about than what Deadpool did. I still enjoyed Deadpool at the time, but I found it overrated as time passed on, and the "look at this trope, isn't it silly" current of superhero comedy became far too common.

I agree on the problems with Zootopia another anon mentioned, but my point stands. My grudge is more with the perception of live-action, grimdark, and adult-rated media somehow being inherently superior to lighthearted works and even animation.

NAYRT but while Deadpool is bloody and adult-rated, I personally would call it a more positive-feeling film than Zootopia, despite the difference in medium. Like when I want a pick-me-up movie, do I watch the comedy that has jokes even at the goriest parts, or the kids movie that goes nonstop in a very very blatant and uncomfortable racism metaphor (that doesn't work)?

That’s fair enough. Live action and gritty/serious is absolutely not better than animation and more light-hearted works. I just don’t think Deadpool is grimdark and gritty, personally.

Oh, how I agree very much with this comment.

What also sucks is that sites like twitter and reddit are filled with users that claim if you're sensitive to particular content or don't want grimdark, then you're not mature enough/challenging yourself enough/causing the death of original art.

Why do I have to challenge myself by watching media with scenes I find triggering or content I just don't care to see? Will doing so somehow make me a smarter, better person?

It's so obnoxious.

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