[ SECRET POST #820 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #820 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Guys. I can't note the fandom if you don't tell me what it is. "Please note the fandom!" tells me nothing.

Secrets Left to Post: 17 pages, 422 secrets from Secret Submission Post #118.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 - repeat ], [ 1 - doing it wrong ], [ 1 - IC secret ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: 151

[xenoglossy]

Really? I was under the impression that Bear's "writing the other" post predated Avalon Willow's post on the problematic treatment of race in one of her books, but I could be mistaken. If so, sorry.

Re: 151

[cleverthylacine]

...OK, it's possible we're conflating two posts here, and lord knows I tried to put both Seeking Avalon's post and Bear's response post far far out of my mind for a really long time--but the post on Bear's journal upon which all hell broke loose was, IIRC, a response to the general controversy. Bear has written several posts about "writing the other" all of which I personally thought were very good (and which are about writing all kinds of others, not just racial and cultural others), but that's not what started this ball rolling.

Personally, I would categorise Seeking Avalon's post as a personal reaction to a plot twist in the first half of one of Bear's books. It's clear by the end of that book that what is actually going on is not even close to what Seeking Avalon thought was going on (and I'm not quite sure why she thought what she did, because it is not difficult to find out that kelpies don't come from Africa and that when they appear to be human they are always pretending to be something they're not--they're horses, and putting a binding and a bridle on a horse is perfectly fine). By the end of those books everyone of any race, gender or sexual orientation has fucked over everyone else to some degree anyway.

It is also perfectly clear and understandable that the appearance of unpleasantness was sufficiently strong that Seeking Avalon was unable to finish the book, and I am not going to say she should have tried to--just that I can't quite see treating her post as a critical review on the problematic treatment of race in that book.

It's a good thing that people are talking about racial issues and a GREAT thing that people are taking positive action; but I really wish people wouldn't make this all about Bear, all about the book (frankly if I were offered $500 to name a racially suspect plotline in that series of books I know what I'd name and it would not be that--it would be the Native Australian mythical creature in the second book who was totally out of his element and did almost nothing but get his ass handed to him by faeries), or all about the angry arguments. (You can make it all about Shetterly's batshittery if you like, but that's also probably counterproductive. Will Shetterly is as useful in discussions of race as tits on a boar hog and there's no debate about what he did to coffeeandink, which was unforgivable.)

Re: 151

[(Anonymous)]

It's clear by the end of that book that what is actually going on is not even close to what Seeking Avalon thought was going on

Another person (deepad, I think) actually commented agreeing with AW's analysis. She was, of course, completely ignored by all of Bear's defenders.

but I really wish people wouldn't make this all about Bear, all about the book

Excluding summaries, no one has been talking about Bear's initial post for several months. She brought the focus back on herself last month with a few new posts. One where she admitted that she'd lied about accepting AW's critique and another about how all this was hurting her feelings, so everyone should STFU.

No one has talked about her since. Seriously: go read rydra_wong's linkspam (http://rydra-wong.livejournal.com/tag/gcadod+09). None of the most recent posts mention her at all.

Re: 151

[rydra_wong]

No, you're not mistaken. Bear's first post in the imbroglio was written not longer after a post about cultural appropriation by Jay Lake, which I suspect was what prompted it.

The critiques of Blood and Iron by Willow and by deepad (who did read all of the book and agreed with Willow's critique, a fact that was widely ignored) came in response to Bear's post. You can check dates on the posts in the linkspam here:

http://rydra-wong.dreamwidth.org/148996.html

(Of course, 99% of the subsequent debate wasn't about Blood and Iron at all, but about the catastrophic Fail displayed by various authors and editors in their attempts to dismiss criticism.)