[ SECRET POST #5617 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5617 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

This. I don't care about how the characters look, I care about the fact that if you changed Fringilla's name in the show, I would never have been able to guess she's supposed to be the same character. Everything about her backstory, personality, and role in the plot has been changed. A lot of other characters were changed to the point of being unrecognizeable too. The only character that I would say was changed for the better is Jaskier, he was annoying in the books and games.

I also felt that the conflict between humans and elves is portrayed too much as a black and white thing. In the books it was much more nuanced, less nazis vs jews and more jews vs arabs. Elves were fighting against their status as second-class citizens and being forced to give up their lands to humans, but they weren't actively being exterminated. I guess the final episode of the second season is supposed to show the elves starting to turn closer to their book version, but after two seasons of watching them passively suffer a genocide it feels like their hostility is more reactive, and even justified in a way.

[dantesspirit]

Elves were fighting against their status as second-class citizens and being forced to give up their lands to humans, but they weren't actively being exterminated.

Caveat- I have not watched the Netflix version.

Yes, they were actively hunted for extermination, in the books. Their lands were taken by force for humankind (sounds so very familiar), they were either outright slaughtered to remove them, or driven into the mountains, where many did not survive as a result. There's quite a few books, papers and letters that all detail this. Even Ciri has a vision that shows the fall of a major Elven stronghold. They've been fighting ever since, though it's mainly the youngest generation of Elves doing so.

(You also hear/read about what happened in segments of the third game as well, which is the one I've played through and finished, twice, because it's such a good game.)

The Netflix version may not have gotten into it as indepth, so to speak, but that's not to say they won't, eventually. Hopefully not as an afterthought, so to speak.

[(Anonymous)]

Elves were also able to live in human cities, same as dwarves and halflings. They weren't being hunted down to the last elf like Jews during the Holocaust, the way they are in the Netflix series.

If you haven't watched the Netflix version then you will be very surprised.

[dantesspirit]

*Half-Elves* are able to live in the cities- mainly the outskirts, but like Dwarves and Halflings, et al, are subjected to abuse of all types.

The Scoi'tael definitely do not live in the cities and are definitely hunted, generally to the last one of them.

I won't be watching the Netflix version, for various reasons.

[(Anonymous)]

Scoia'Tael were militia, so of course they didn't live in cities. But non-combatant elves absolutely did live in the cities. Chireadan, to give just one example. Maybe you should re-read the books, you don't seem to remember them clearly.

[dantesspirit]

I remember them clearly, thank you very much. Obviously you do not, or you would remember Francesca Findabar talking about how they were driven from the Valley of Flowers and what it took to survive in the mountains, how many died of starvation and how the older generations don't want the younger going off to fight as Scoi'tael, because they have children so seldomly.

Or the vision Ciri had about the blue roses in the ruins of that Elven city, as it fell, where Lara, her distant ancestor, was deemed a traitor at the end of it all.

Or the derision, abuse and outright murder of even half elves in the city, how no one would help that noble woman find her daughter when she was taken, simply because the child was half elf.

But sure, I don't remember the books.

[(Anonymous)]

Yet you forgot that there was an elf running a tavern in one of the stories. Or the fact that the king and queen of Cintra took in Lara's child and raised as their own. So no, you do not remember them clearly at all and I judge you for the fact that I pointed out the character and yet instead of re-reading to see what you've missed about that character, you chose to disregard my comment and stubbornly cling to your factually incorrect memory of the series.

This is why I said the conflict in the series is closer to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict rather than to the Holocaust, as depicted in the Netflix series. Being driven from one's land, murdered en masse, and treated as second-class citizen is brutal and unfair, but it's not interchangeable with being hunted down on sight because of one's race.