[ SECRET POST #5626 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5626 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

You know what I hate? People who say I'm a troll because I take almost everything literally. I was very confused by the secret because they say they went to M/M and expected well written female characters. Like, no? For all that most stats have mostly women reading and writing m/m fanfic, commercial M/M is not a genre catering to female readers, so why would you expect well written female characters?

Wanting well written female characters that aren't romantic interests is a problem I can identify with, because I have the same issue. And you TOTALLY aren't going to find that in commercial M/M. Secret is poorly written.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

But you’re not being called a troll, because you’re NAYRT? You seem to be taking this a bit too personally when you’re not even the one being talked about.

AYRT might very well be a troll, because they refuse to admit they could be wrong about what they think OP meant. Whereas you at least are aware OP could have meant they just wish the female characters that are actually in these M/Ms to be written better, and OP just phrased it poorly.

You also seem to be of the opinion that OP shouldn’t have expected well-written female characters in M/M. I disagree, in that it’s natural to want characters to be well-written, even if they’re not the main characters or couple. Although I acknowledge that there’s a difference between expectations, and wants and hopes. It can sometimes be the difference between optimism, cynicism, and realism. But while I disagree that it’s something you shouldn’t expect or believe can be done, I don’t disagree that it is rarely done. Which seems to be OP’s point, actually.

But at least you’re willing to consider OP not getting into M/M for the female characters unlike the anon in question being referred to as a troll. Instead of being stubborn about their interpretation being the only correct one, and them zeroing in on this one sentence at the expense of the rest of the secret, they should have just agreed to disagree about interpretations. Because interpretations can be wrong, both there’s and other’s. But they didn’t, and they were being willfully obtuse about some things, as well as seeming to act in bad faith. Hence, them being troll-like to AYRT.

I honestly don’t agree that they are a troll just because of that reason, but I’m not denying that it’s possible. But that has nothing to do with you.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

I've had enough times where I have been called a troll for genuinely relating my experience or interpretation. If I had come here earlier, I would have been one of the people wondering why in the world OP would be looking for female leads in M/M and would have been called a troll.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I don’t know I don’t really think you would be called a troll. I could be wrong I guess. But I might not be.

You seem way more willing to listen to different perspectives without immediately shutting them down because they go against what you believe. That’s something that other anon never did.

And it was only after they continued to insist they couldn’t be wrong with no basis for that confidence that even they were called a troll.

And they definitely seem like a troll to me so I disagree with ayrt on that.

You seem nicer and less dishonest. So I’m sorry people have called you a troll before because it wasn’t deserved.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

"Commercial M/M is not a genre catering to female readers" ... we are clearly not talking about the same things here. Pretty sure most kids who like cnovels are, in fact, female. So, when you say "commercial M/M" what you perceive varies a lot depending on where you come from and what your experiences are. This is all.

[(Anonymous)]

It's definitely a genre that caters to female readers, but not because those female readers are looking to read about female characters.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - Erm. OP is or was one such reader and (shock!) they wanted quality female characters. You know why we don't look for good female characters in BL and such? Because you assune we don't. You never wanted to know and then dissed OP for wanting it. But I at least absolutely want EVERY character in my BL to be well written, not just males.