[ SECRET POST #5636 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5636 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Met Gala]


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[Mr Ballen on Youtube]


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[Satoru Gojo from Jujutsu Kaisen]


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[Twisted Kaiju Theater]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The comment about Heartstopper you're talking about might have been mine, so I want to explain that I was mainly talking about the fandom holding it up as better than other queer media, not saying the show itself was bad just because there was no sex.

On the other hand, I found out after I made that comment that the author of the comic said some similar things about BL and gay fanfiction that is mainly sex, and echoed the old and incorrect belief that they're bad because they fetishize gay men. Because there's sex. So author intent is a thing, and I am side-eyeing the reason for the show's fluffiness now.

[(Anonymous)]

DA I love Heartstopper for the sweet romance that it is, but I side-eyed the author real hard after I saw that comment. IIRC She doesn't want to depict any sex between the characters because they're minors, which is perfectly fine, but tacking on that bit about BL just made it sound all "I'm not like those other girls" and it left a bad taste in my mouth.

[(Anonymous)]

The part about them being minors also sets of red flags for me in the internet age of antis. If it's outside her personal comfort zone to write minors having sex then there's nothing wrong with that, but that's not most of modern fandom's issue with minors and sex. They want it not to be written at all by anyone because they think sex is something minors don't do, and adults writing it are all pedophiles. Never mind that high schoolers on TV dramas and YA fiction characters and oh, also REAL teenagers having sex is normal. Always has been. If you personally just don't want to write about minors having sex, you should just say you didn't want to write sex and leave it at that.

[(Anonymous)]

You do realize that lesbian porn and manga that fetichizes gay men are all popular things right? (and I say that as a BL fan, but I know some are 100% fetichizing, no plot.) Maybe the author just meant to say that they wanted to create something that felt diametrically opposite to that popular trend? Which is not the same as "eww sex is bad". I didn't see the author's comment at all and I believe it may have been worse than this though.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, they're a thing. Nobody who likes those genres is shocked by this news. We know, darling. We can't talk about liking it without being told that's ALL it is, by people who only know the genre by hearsay that that's all it is and don't realize there's just as much valid work in it as fetishizing work. And that's not even going into how a lot of what you'd call fetishizing is in fact actually created and enjoyed by mlm/wlw, because so many baby queers and straight "concerned" allies have a neoconservative viewpoint of what fetishizing IS. Nobody thinks there are no problems with the BL genre, but at this point it's just bad faith to talk about it like it's first and foremost fetish fuel for straight women when that's only a tiny bit of what it really is.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Judging by a lot of the discourse, a lot of people seem to think "fetishizing" means "this might potentially turn the 'wrong' kind of people on."

[(Anonymous)]

Can you not?

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, I can and I will.

"Fetishizing" is one of those words that has lost the useful specific meaning it used to have.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. And when it comes to BL, the "wrong" kind of people simply means "women."

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Sometimes it also means trans men. In the case of the harassment that the creator of the cute, harmless Boyfriends webtoon is getting, it comes with a whole vicious side of transphobia because the creator is a gay Indonesian trans man and there are hundreds of antis piling on to call him a "fetishizing straight white woman."

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

I got that, that's why I was saying I didn't read the author's comment and it could have been way worse than this, "darling".

And again, I said: "not in a 'sex is bad, ew'" way. Fetishizing could even be a good thing depending on where you come from. But it's a trend. And MAYBE. Maybe the author wanted to create something different. Maybe, damn.