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⌈ Secret Post #5646 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Fandom thoughts/rants

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, yes, some queer people do gatekeep to the rest of us, and it's a mix of older terf lesbian separatists, 'gold star' gays, and young kids who have no real world experience with the community but get harmful messaging from the former, but straight people ABSOLUTELY do it as well?? Outside of fandom it's usually the 'be less gay in public' crowd or the straight men who are gross to queer women, but historically, I (nayrt but a queer man in fandom) have struggled with older women who self-ID as straight long before dealing with gatekeepy queer teenagers, and they haven't disappeared just because they're not the only game in town.

Like, when I was a teen, much of fandom was DOMINATED by straight adult women and while het ships were king back in the day and many fandoms had aggressive pushback against any queer shipping whatsoever, the 'slash fandoms' still had straight fans who had Opinions. Thankfully, they also had a lot of fellow queer fans who were starting to assert their voices and be out and proud online (or at least semi-anonymously so) and who were building communities that were more queer friendly. But for a good stretch of time, we mostly weren't gatekeeping each other!

Re: Fandom thoughts/rants

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Queer people have been gatekeeping each other forEVER. When I was in college in the early 90s there were huge shouting matches about whether bi people should be allowed in the (as it was then called) Lesbian/Gay Alliance. It wasn't coming from straights because they weren't involved at all. Second-wave lesbian feminism was unbelievably hostile to trans and bi women. (See Michigan Womyn's Music Festival). Gay male culture has been historically often extremely brutal to trans men and bi men. That's not even getting into the huge fights between more mainstream-friendly, assimilationist factions vs the more radical ones + the drag, camp, leather contingents. Let's not have too rosy a view of "the queer community" because like they say, those who don't know history, etc.

I see a lot of these same arguments that I hoped were settled 30 years ago coming up again and again and again because younger queers keep reinventing the shitty gatekeeping wheel.

Re: Fandom thoughts/rants

[(Anonymous)]

OP of thread

Thank you! I don't know why some people in this thread are assuming that I'm No True Scotsmaning the situation or something. The people I'm talking about have said *themselves* that they are straight women, so that's what I'm going by. Queer people can be judgmental and gatekeep, too, and I'm never going to claim otherwise. And while I find it annoying, I realize that we all have different life experiences and our opinions on things can be vastly different based on the culture where we grew up/what our families were like/a million other variables, and that's fine. What I have an issue with is self-described straight women complaining about someone being not flamboyant enough/too flamboyant/bi and in an opposite sex relationship/not comfortable with PDAs/whatever.