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Re: Fandom thoughts/rants
(Anonymous) 2022-06-22 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)Oh, I totally get why being seen as straight can absolutely be a good thing in a situation where housing/employment are dependent on that. I definitely recognize how lucky/privileged I am to live in the place/circumstances I do, and I hate that there are people who are in circumstances where their identity can be so dangerous for them. Like, even for straight people I don't understand why they would care that someone else is LGBTQ+. Maybe I'm just overly naive in that way, but it literally makes no sense why someone would care about something that does not affect them *in any way at all*.
No, you're making sense, I just wasn't understanding at first, but I get what you mean now, and I definitely agree. Regardless of someone's orientation, if they're not currently in a relationship with someone of the same sex, there are going to be people who will assume they're straight because that's unfortunately seen as "the default", and there are obviously going to be benefits to that in places where someone would be discriminated against for being in a same-sex relationship. And you would think someone who was in basically the same situation would understand where you were coming from, so that sucks that your "ex-friend" was acting that way.
Yeah, I saw that. The fandom I'm talking about is a lot smaller/more obscure than Good Omens so I don't want to say what it is, but although I'm not *super* into the Good Omens fandom, from what I have seen, there's a similar sort of discussion going on. In both, there seems to be a group of people who think it's more important for shows to have specifically *gay* representation, while there are others that think shows just need more queer rep in general, including characters that are bi/pan/trans/ace/whatever. (I'm obviously in the latter group, and maybe I'm being a bit contradictory in the "it's not a competition" sense I mentioned before, but I can't help but feel frustrated because there have been significantly more gay characters than bi/pan/queer-in-whatever-way ones in media.)
Anyway. I definitely didn't think you were being insensitive so don't worry about that. Honestly, I'm just annoyed with myself for being drawn to fandoms with this kind of drama lol.
Re: Fandom thoughts/rants
(Anonymous) 2022-06-22 10:36 pm (UTC)(link)Yes, exactly. When people who "benefit" from that also feel like they should gatekeep others from enjoying queer media however they want in their free time (again as long as it's respectful and doesn't hurt anyone) I am like... what? Even if I was a cishet woman talking about BL/GL - am I being (or at least TRYING to be, as I was accidentally offensive) respectful, yes? Am I hurting anyone, no? Then just let me be? You know. Some people feel like, because they have already changed a lot in the sense of fighting their inner demons and prejudices, that others will have gone through the exact same process. And it's just not how it happens, particularly because some of the "others" had radically different experiences growing up in different places, times, etc. I got shit for "maybe not being straight" (maybe!!! not!) when I was too young to know what "straight" meant. Sometimes the SAME people who gave me shit for it in the past try to act gatekeep-y now and it drives me crazy. Fucking honestly.
Oh, it's okay. Yeah I do feel like "multiple headcanons" are welcome in my fandoms, generally. But I also feel like younger members often want to "settle" on a single collective headcanon, and I HATE that. Let people write the characters however they feel better about/best represents them/their reading/experiences? As long as it's canon-compliant (and even if it's not, AUs exist too) it's fine, don't like don't read? Also, just respect the author's decisions and if you aren't happy about it then write an alternative ending? It's not that hard! It's how we did back in the days of no SNS!! Nowadays people complain on Twitter and the author has to make changes! Recently I found out that a series I enjoyed had its finale CHANGED for the BluRay. (Because some freaks who get no pussy were mad that the girl didn't want to be with the guy.) Shit?
Anyway, sorry if I sound a bit angry about some of this lol, just taking the opportunity to "vent" too. I hope that your fandoms get better somehow, and/or that you end up finding some new, better fandoms!
Re: Fandom thoughts/rants
(Anonymous) 2022-06-22 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)Oh, god, the whole "think of the children!" crowd (especially since that same group tends to not give a fuck about "the children" in other contexts, but that's a whole different subject) drives me nuts. It seems like that whole mindset has gotten even louder lately (at least in the US; I'm not sure what it's like elsewhere) and the idea of being so scandalized by the fact that non-straight people just *exist* is just...so fucking stupid.
Yeah, that's just dumb and annoying. I mean, for fuck's sake, just let people enjoy whatever they enjoy as long as they're not hurting anyone.
In this fandom it seems to be older people (that have described themselves that way, and some of them are queer, too, it's not *just* straight people, they're just the ones that annoy me the most with their gatekeeping) who act like there needs to be One True Acceptable Narrative.
The main character and one of the more minor characters have both had relationships with men in canon, one has had relationships with women too, and the other has been heavily implied to have had a relationship with a woman in the past, so there's nothing to contradict them being bi, but from interviews I've seen with the writers, they seem to be a bit...oblivious about identities other than gay and straight and I'm expecting a "they were only with women because they were in denial/because of social pressure" kind of situation. (And I mean, don't get me wrong, it's cool to have gay characters because a lot of writers don't seem to want to write about *anything* non-straight, but there are other things than just gay and straight.) So the "they must be gay" people are probably right, actually, but until it's confirmed, let us headcanon them as bi, dammit! lol
I hadn't heard about the ending of something being changed because of whiny incels, but that's just ridiculous!
Thanks! I really love this fandom and I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised but if not, hopefully there will be something better somewhere down the road!
Re: Fandom thoughts/rants
(Anonymous) 2022-06-23 12:21 am (UTC)(link)Hmm, got that. Awwww that sucks. I feel like, oddly enough, even in BL/GL fandom (which is technically written for/by young cishet women although it's obviously not always the case and probably hasn't been even the majority for the past 20 years but w/e) bisexual characters seem to be a common-ish trope? They weren't just "experimenting", they were in a satisfying heterosexual relationship before getting into a satisfying homosexual relationship (and I have seen even the opposite, too). If anything, self-identifying gay kids may go "omgg they're so gayy" almost jokingly, but nobody disagrees that canonically they are... not. I hate being reminded that "they were in denial" is a thing in fiction. It feels to me like it validates those crazies who believe that "bisexual people are just secretly gay!", and makes it seem like queer people just... get into false relationships for selfish reasons. Not that this kind of thing doesn't happen IRL (*cough* I did talk about what I got myself into) but it's not The Universal Experience and bisexual people exist, absolutely. Now I kind of hope they end up making it so one of these characters ends up being canonically bisexual and the interviews were just deliberately misleading lol.
Yeah, me neither. I was/am horrified.
Best of luck!!
Re: Fandom thoughts/rants
(Anonymous) 2022-06-23 12:45 am (UTC)(link)I'm not super familiar with BL/GL but I have seen several fandoms where the writers are kind of notorious for biphobia/bi erasure (like, a gay character will start dating someone new, find out they identify as bi, and then what follows is a ton of negative stereotypes and BS about bi people). I feel like a lot of older people, even "liberal" ones can sometimes be a bit...narrow-minded when it comes to other aspects of the community than the L and G (I know a lesbian who thinks "you're either gay or straight" and that bi people are confused, she's also said she hates *all* gay men so she has some issues). Hopefully as time goes on there will be a bit more representation for those of us in the community who are something other than lesbian/gay. (Sorry if I'm whining, it's just frustrating that society is SO much better than it used to be when it comes to queer people overall, but still ignorant in certain ways.) And yeah, that would be a nice surprise!