[ WiR #006 ]

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⌈ Week in Review #006 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

Saturday: [ #820 ]
Sunday: [ #821 ]
Monday: [ #822 ]
Tuesday: [ #823 ]
Wednesday: [ #824 ]
Thursday: [ #825 ]
Friday: [ #826 ]

Responses to secrets you missed, things you forgot to say, general comments about the week, etc. go here.

And this is it, the last call.

[Poll #1381590]

Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[nenya_kanadka]

I really like the new system. I can see the points that people who don't like it are making, but to me it saves SO much time and makes it possible to see what a lot of different people are saying on any one secret. But then I am not necessarily a huge user of the comment system--I've probably commented more this last week than I did before, because I could find the comment threads for the secrets I liked without having to ctrl-F constantly. sometimes on the old system, if I didn't have an hour or two to spend just reading F!S, I just wouldn't read any comments at all.

But I can see why people don't like it. I kinda like the mixed system with extra freestyle comments at the end--though I probably won't end up really reading them.

[(Anonymous)]

no. clearly those of us who like the new system are trolls.

[vociferocity.livejournal.com]

mm, indubitably.

[morejellytoast.livejournal.com]

Yup.

[morejellytoast.livejournal.com]

I agree with that! Searching for comments on your post was like a treasure hunt.

[morejellytoast.livejournal.com]

I hate it. It's too boring. Someone might have said something absolutely hysterical under a secret that I didn't care about, and I'd never know about it because the secret didn't interest me. Under the old system, I would've seen it while looking for secrets I actually cared about.

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

Long story short: Let's keep this place more fun, pleasant, and random.

This. It's a chore posting every damn comment in different threads (where they get lost among all the other comments), and I'm here to have a bit of fun. Normally I'm all for being neat and organized but not during happy fun times.

I really wonder what's so great about this new system aside of having to press Ctrl+F less than before, that's causing the overwhelming number of votes on "yes"...

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

Exactly.

Re: Granted I was Lurky McLurker for months until like four days ago so IDK what my opinion's worth

[(Anonymous)]

Butthurt, much?

Somehow I doubt you care as little as you say you do. :P

[meran-flash.livejournal.com]

The lag the new system causes is KILLING ME. Unless I get to the post pretty much immediately after it's posted (which almost never happens), browsing anything on the first three comment pages is pretty much impossible. Just reading the secrets, then, has become much more of a chore, and actually reading/posting comments has become a tremendous, TREMENDOUS chore.

I hate feeling like I'm fighting a losing battle. But honestly, I could sacrifice the old 'feeling' of this place (that I *will* miss but can deal with losing) for whatever benefits this new system brings--except for this lag issue. It's a *practical* issue, and I can't let go of it.

[meran-flash.livejournal.com]

GOD THE LOAD TIMES. And I actually have a decent amount of RAM! God forbid there's wank in any of the individual secret threads--even MORE comments to load, and all 'conveniently' packaged into one page.

I just want to gather around me all the people that are having this issue. Because it's killing my viewing of this place.

[meran-flash.livejournal.com]

This.

The lag is making browsing comments impossible, and the way the new system changes conversation, it's not worth doing anyway.

I feel like this new comment system is the worst for the people that actually give this comm it's life; it's better for the secret-makers MAYBE, but it's worst for the commenters, and the vast majority of secret-makers are looking for comments on their secrets. Who wants to share when nobody's listening?

[meran-flash.livejournal.com]

Except those 'ton of comments' tend to be just variations on a theme. Do you remember the thread for a Princess Bride secret a while back? It was just several variations on "lol you missed the point". Not worth expanding, not worth the load time.

Or, even worse, when it's a secret that many people agree on. A whole thread of "This." and "mte".

[meran-flash.livejournal.com]

...Why? What does it matter how many page numbers there are? More page numbers just means less lag on any given page.

Hell, I always LIKED it if a secret post crawled up past the 10-page mark. It was like, hello, this must be an intesting batch of secrets!

[jlh.livejournal.com]

Well, the scale tends to be different though—when I said "ton" I really meant, a bunch of threads. If you see a lot of people all replying to each other, then yeah, I'm going to expand that. If it's a bunch of serial comments on a secret I don't care about anyway, then I might not.

But that said, it is the same thing that was happening before, where people said the same thing over and over about the same secret—only spread out instead of concentrated. I remember ctrl-f'ing secrets and finding the same sentence, almost the same words, in nearly every reply. At least now, with the thread, there's a little bit of variation, or people, sure, just say "this" but that means they would have said that anyway.

[meran-flash.livejournal.com]

Seeing 'new icons' and sparking up conversations still happens. In fact, I think it's happening more! Are people in here seriously going to bother reading every page and every comment looking for good conversation, even if it's about something they don't know? I really doubt it.

Considering that's how it used to work? Uh, yeah, they would.

[meran-flash.livejournal.com]

Here's the problem, though: I don't like the new system because of the lag it causes me when I'm viewing the secret post. That's not something I can ignore and fight by commenting in the old way.

[meran-flash.livejournal.com]

Yeah, but when they were spread out, the lag that the new system causes was avoided. Plus, even if the comment on an individual secret was just "This", it was usually either part of a larger, secret-spanning comment, or was at least mixed in with other, more interesting comments.

Basically, the worthless comments used to be easier to avoid. Now they're impossible to avoid.

[jlh.livejournal.com]

I dunno, is going through three pages of comments that lag really more onerous than going through 10 pages of comments that still lagged anyway because you had to keep reloading all the secrets every time you looked at a new page of comments? I can expand individual comment strings without having to go to a new page and sit around waiting for 165 image files to load.

And when I was ctrl-f'ing through the secrets I cared about, I couldn't avoid the worthless comments anyway.

It seems like there's a difference between people who had, say, 20 or fewer secrets they cared about and only really looked at the comments for those and the people who read all the comments regardless of the original secrets. For the former—who by the voting are in the majority—this system is much more efficient and much easier. For the latter, I can see the problem because you can't just scan through the site and see what catches your eye.

But for me, the lagging is worth only having to load three, maybe five pages of fandom secrets rather than ten.

[star-fire13.livejournal.com]

IAWTC

I mean, if people REALLY want to know if there's a bunch of secrets by the same person, they WILL rightclick and hit "properties" or whatever, but most people are too lazy to. With having the links posted though, it's BLATANTLY OBVIOUS what Photobucket users have which secrets. =/

[(Anonymous)]

This. The people voting "yes" aren't trolls. Since they're in the majority, they're not as compelled to explain why it's such a good idea because it seems obvious. The thinking there is, "Why else would they be in the majority unless the new format is better and speaks for itself?"

[(Anonymous)]

I really like the new format and all the discussions you get out of it! It really helps out for all the people who actually care what everyone thinks about a particular secret. If you wanted to read what everyone thought using the old way, it would take forever, and you'd still miss a few replies anyways.

I think some of the people who hate the new way of doing things only skim what others have to say, or else they would appreciate how much easier things are now. They just want to dump all their comments in one post and wait for people to respond to them specifically on their thoughts. Why not take the time to go to the secret thread and see what other people think too?

Different Lurker

[(Anonymous)]

I definitely don't bother as much with the last pages of comments. They don't have time to look for the right threads to post in, I don't have time to wade through whatever it is that they're posting.

I've looked at them before though, but I noticed that there's no interesting conversations happening there (practically no responses) and what they've said has already been covered in the threaded post I've read by then anyways. It's like they're shouting out loud to no one.

[(Anonymous)]

As opposed to the old system where comments were buried in 10+ pages of posts?

I never used to comment on anything before because I felt like no one but a very few dedicated people (who keep using ctrl-f) would read what I had to say about a particular secret. Now I feel like more people see what I've posted because it's in a thread of others who share my interest in that secret, and I've also gotten more responses too!

[meran-flash.livejournal.com]

The lag I used to experience from the reloading of the secret images on each new page is NOTHING compared to the lag I'm experiencing now. Seriously, in the worst cases it's being thirty seconds and more.

I never read every comment regardless of the original secret. However, I DID read comments that did not regard the secrets I was interested in if the comments themselves were interesting. Now with the lag issue, it just takes entirely too much effort to read anything besides a very occasional comment thread. And here's the worst bit--the interesting comment threads, the ones with the most comments in them, are too hard to read! It just takes entirely too much time to expand it all. And god forbid if I wanted to comment MYSELF--hey, let's start the whole process over again. That'll be fun.