[ SECRET POST #5661 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5661 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[SIX, a musical about the wives of Henry VIII]


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[Supernatural]


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[Agatha Christie]


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[Charlie and the Chocolate Factory]


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Comments

[fscom]

06. https://i.imgur.com/L7Nj6Zr.png
[Charlie and the Chocolate Factory]

[(Anonymous)]

People just don't know how musicals work these days. Everything must be draped in the suffocating saran wrap of "realism" to the point where creative fictional fantasy just cannot even be understood.

[(Anonymous)]

I looked into this and it reminded me of how some friends of mine from an old game forum believed Aerith from FFVII was secretly a heartless hypocrite and lying through her teeth about all her intentions, because she's a healer and could have slipped that dude a potion or something when he was dying like she can do all the time and cure you instantly with in battle, but instead she just sat there crying about how good a friend he was as she watched him die. Where's her explanation for that, hm? Couldn't be the rules of video game mechanics being fundamentally different between battles and story cutscenes!

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, I want an ultra-real musical with no fantasy involved. I started writing one about 20 years but got tripped up trying to figure out how to make a capella work on stage like that.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it bugs me too, even though obviously I can see where people are getting it from.

As someone who grew up poor, and who has huge issues with scarcity mentality because shit was fucking scarce, I've always resonated hard with Charlie and Grandpa Jo. The way Charlie rations out his chocolate to make it last makes me want to cry, and the way Grandpa Jo so obviously would do anything to protect Charlie from the pain of their circumstances but is largely helpless to do so also rips me right up. It's just really, really tender and poignant and beautiful in a horribly awful way.

And yeah, obviously if you want to go all Cinema Sins on the text, then rationally it makes sense to argue that if Grandpa Jo was capable of being revitalized simply by having somewhere exciting to go, then he could've been up and doing something to improve their circumstances all along. But that is so clearly reading against the intent of the text, and it's reading against the text in a way that basically eviscerates the entire emotional core of the story. Which is fine; to each their own. But I find the emotional core of Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory very poignant and effective, and personally I would never want to be so blasé and dismissive of it in favor of a cynical hot take that plainly refuses to meet the narrative on its terms.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I agree with your take.

I took the lazy Joe memes as a pure joke, though. If what happens to the bad kids in this story is plausible, then everything else is, too.

[(Anonymous)]

If there is one thing that living in the end of days has taught me, it is there is no joke too outrageous for some sad bastard to take far too seriously.

[(Anonymous)]

That's fair. I got a chuckle out of it the first time I saw the lazy Grandpa Jo thing, myself, because it's obviously just a joke. But like a lot of those jokey hot takes, it spread and I've now seen in crop up multiple times, and for me it gets markedly less funny every time.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I can see that becoming annoying.

[(Anonymous)]

I have heard ONE RL story of an older person faking needing waiting on. It's not enough to make me doubt any other RL disabled people, but it is enough to make me side-eye Grandpa Joe

A lot.

[philstar22]

I just really dislike this adaption (both really, but this one is worse) as a huge fan of the books. Wonka is so ridiculously OOC. I like the weird, creepy book!Wonka. This film one is way too nice. And why did they write new, worse songs when the book ones were awesome?

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, the grandparents stay in bed all day to stay warm when they can't afford heating, not because they can't physically move. And "able to accompany Charlie for one day when his parents are working" is not the same as "can work regularly".

THEORY about Grandpa Joe

[(Anonymous)]

Grandpa Joe has clinical depression and in the musical, PTSD. I think in every story he is clinically depressed, in the musical he specifically says he lost the WILL to ever leave his bed. He also mentions being in various wars throughout the play, and says, after finally dancing out of bed, "With both me feet back on the floor, it's like the day we won the war!" which I interpreted as PTSD and his memories of combat being another factor that kept him in bed.

Re: THEORY about Grandpa Joe

[(Anonymous)]

as someone who has PTSD I can imagine this. the novel and movie were kinda interpreted to be set during the 1920s, which was post WWI and during the Great Depression. Grandpa Joe being a war vet would likely have PTSD and depression from watching his colleagues and fellows die around him, much like how JRR Tolkein was inspired to write the Lord of the Rings after his service but make it a story where all the main characters make it home. The chocolate being rationed out would also make sense for the Great Depression, as well as due to Charlie's family being poor.

Re: THEORY about Grandpa Joe

[(Anonymous)]

If Grandpa fought in Ww2 he’d still be young in the twenties, plus the depression wasn’t til the thirties. Could be late 30s.

Re: THEORY about Grandpa Joe

[(Anonymous)]

Where are you getting WW2 from? The previous post stated WW1.

Re: THEORY about Grandpa Joe

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Grandpa Joe is stated to be ninety-six and a half in Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator, the immediate sequel to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was inspired by Roald Dahl's experience of chocolate companies during his schooldays (around the 1920s), but I don't know if that means it is supposed to be set exactly then. If I recall correctly, in the US version of the book, a Wonka bar cost 10 cents (by the Hershey Bar Index a 1 oz bar cost 5 cents in 1921, a 2 oz bar cost 5 cents in 1930, then it went up and down in weight at 5 cents, then a 1 1/2 oz bar cost 10 cents in 1969). Anyway, if it was meant to be set in the 1920s, he wouldn't have been in WWI. If it was set in 1964 (when the first novel was published), if he'd already been career military at the time of WWI he could have been in the war as he wouldn't have reached retirement age, but he likely wouldn't have been drafted though there were probably exceptions made.

Re: THEORY about Grandpa Joe

[greghousesgf]

the Wilder!Wonka movie seems to be taking place in more than one era simultaneously.

[greghousesgf]

that's not the point. the point is Grandpa Joe talked Charlie into stealing the fizzy lifting drinks and Wonka had a reason to be mad at him for doing this.

[(Anonymous)]

At Grandpa Joe or at Charlie?

[greghousesgf]

at Grandpa Joe. It was all his idea and he should have known better.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, but we all agree that Charlie's mom got shafted in the '70s movie right?

[(Anonymous)]

Absolutely.

And I’d love a proper F!S secret expanding/venting on this.