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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2009-04-13 05:43 pm

[ SECRET POST #829 ]


⌈ Secret Post #829 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 13 pages, 210 secrets from Secret Submission Post #119.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ], [ 1 - take it to comments ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2009-04-13 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
People can get that Sally's relationship with Blake is not supposed to be a black-and-white good or bad portrayal and still not like the comic/movie's treatment of that storyline. People can get what Adrian was trying to do--it's not that difficult, considering he explains it--and still think it's a stupid plan. The Comedian being a hero, now, I'll give you.

For all the people respond to Watchmen secrets with "the fandom isn't intimidating/elitist"...there's a segment of it that really, really is. Don't get me wrong, there's also an awesome community, but when literally every single criticism of the book or movie has multiple people saying "You just don't get it," it's gonna drive away people who don't love every aspect of Watchmen. And thinking "either you love it or you don't get it" is pretty black and white, don't you think?

(Anonymous) 2009-04-13 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
It's all in how you word it.

I think what a lot of people are missing is that you're not supposed to like certain characters. Saying, "I don't like the Comedian," is a rather silly reason to dislike the film considering that was the filmmaker's intent. That's like saying you really disliked the Nazis in Schindler's List. Of course you didn't like them, that's the goddamn point! Of course you're not going to enjoy rape or want to hug a megalomaniac! These people aren't Superman. They're various shades of normal and bad people! You're assuming that everyone gets that. But they don't. They really don't.

I think a better criticism would be that the film was so full of bad people you found it nearly unwatchable. Or you felt the director was irresponsible in his depiction of rape. Or that you thought the effects were silly. Or that the filmmaker was not good at getting his intent across. All valid points from certain perspectives.

You seem to get it. You realize that there's a distinction here. The OP doesn't seem to understand the difference between thinking a movie was well done and enjoying it because you like seeing a woman brutalized. And that's what's so mind-numbingly frustrating to a lot of Watchmen fans. That some believe all people who enjoyed Watchmen find bloodshed and evil sexy and fun (no doubt there's a group that do, unfortunately). Which is not the case for most of us and we feel the need to defend the movie and ourselves.

[identity profile] chocolatepot.livejournal.com 2009-04-14 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
I really think that the bit about Rorschach makes the secret beyond just not liking the movie's treatment - personally, I'm a bit creeped out by people who think Rorscach is some kind of hero. Anyone who thinks Rorschach has sympathy for life is missing the point entirely.

(Anonymous) 2009-04-14 12:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Frankly I think that anyone who thinks that Rorscharch has 'moral objectivity' falls into this category as well.