[ SECRET POST #5704 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5704 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Yakuza: Like a Dragon]


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[Azure Striker Gunvolt 3]


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[Yurukill: The Calumniation Games]


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[I Am Magicami]


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Comments

[fscom]

03. https://i.imgur.com/MrLLtBg.png
[Yakuza: Like a Dragon]

[(Anonymous)]

Although I'll give you that she's definitely coded with hegemonic gender signifiers, IMO Saeko is a compelling character who stands shoulder-to-shoulder with the guys.

[(Anonymous)]

Progressive doesn't look the same everywhere in the world. From a western perspective, Yakuza as a series isn't great with issues related to gender (there's some glaring transphobia in earlier titles that's been removed in the remastered versions), but then Japan as a country ranks pretty low in gender equality.
I don’t know enough to claim that Like A Dragon doesn't fall short by Japanese standards, but it at least feels like it's honestly trying.

[tentaclecore]

Yakuza series is far far better than some other Japanese games, but yeah if you're yardsticking it by your own social group it's going to fall short on that. The series gets more progressive as it goes on, and like a previous commenter said they removed some of the more egregiously offensive stuff in the Kiwami remakes for 1 and 2. Still a far way away of them having a character who doesn't conform to usual Japanese Culture rigidity regarding gender.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

The only other Yakuza I played is Kiwami 1. In that one, there’s a mission where you beat up a trans woman, a mission where you beat up a trans man, and whatever the hell is going on with “Goromi.” I’ve heard it’s considered really important for the main character to not beat up women, so I ended up wondering, are BOTH trans men and trans women considered men in this setting?

If Kiwami removed some transphobia, then I’m morbidly curious what the original was like.

Re: OP

[tentaclecore]

you can very easily google information on the cut content from Kiwami to find that information, if your curiosity is all-consuming. but Kiryu not beating up women only applies to him going to other fighting game properties-- he outright slaps Haruka in the first game and iirc the third as well-- which as i understand it is considered acceptable parenting in Japan-- so again, you're going to find it fall short by Western ideals of progressiveness.

if you want context on Majima/Goromi, play 0 (the prequel). he started out in the original game as a b-grade villain who became a fan favorite because of how flamboyant and bombastic he was, so a lot of the "bad" stuff was retconned in later games and he became more of an antihero whose main characteristic is being obsessed with Kiryu-chan. he'll do anything to get Kiryu's attention, and if dressing up like a woman and playing hostess is how he needs to do it then so be it. Majima and Kiryu are the juggernaut pairing in the Yakuza fandom (in both East *and* West) for this reason.

[(Anonymous)]

Not related to the game, but to your initial comment. I know exactly what you mean. On social media I'm surrounded by LGBTQIA+ people/allies, and it was an eye-opener when I hung out with some work colleagues for the first time in ages and they were so homophobic! I honestly don't know why I was surprised, but it made me realise that Twitter (of all places) is my safe space.

[(Anonymous)]

The game is very, very Japanese. The characters are very archetypal and unfortunately, that's just how mainstream Japan is. At least they gave the male characters host outfits, although they could have done better with the host hair.