[ SECRET POST #5708 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5708 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

I think Sopranos is a better show but I think it's not nearly as much of a Shakespearean tragedy.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't recall The Sopranos being very Shakespearean, unless you're using it in a different sense I guess.

[(Anonymous)]

In how many senses can the word "Shakespearan" be used? I mean, what else can it mean, except, y'know, Shakespearan?

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, old meme.

[(Anonymous)]

Haven't seen the Sopranos, but I don't associate it with a bucolic rural atmosphere, and nor is Breaking Bad, so I'm curious if you're implying something with the sheep there Nonny

[(Anonymous)]

The creatures are in the wild?

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't seen either - would you mind explaining your criteria, OP? (I'm curious.)

[meadowphoenix]

they seem equally about men with egos who fuck up their families, but there's zero catharsis in the Sopranos on purpose and some poetic justice in Breaking Bad and neither have the supernatural imo, idk.

[(Anonymous)]

To me, what makes Breaking Bad more of a tragedy is that what happens in Breaking Bad is more directly the fault of Walt and his ego.

That's less true of the Sopranos, which - to me - is less about the flaws of Tony Soprano specifically, and much more about his social environment and the social structure of the Mafia, and more generally the structure of America.

[meadowphoenix]

I think they're both tragedies, but I think they both fail about being Shakespearean tragedies.

But I would say that BrBa is def about the structure of America and Walt's social environment. Walt's ego is middle class anxiety within a capitalistic system; Walt feels like he's on the losing end of capitalism, and so he creates, as many people do actually create, a belief system in which he is deserving and therefore his actions to create success are justified, and those who he ruins on his way up are undeserving and so his cruelty to them is also justified. His brother-in-law is a DEA agent, so to a certain extent it's about the structure of drug empires too, though less than the Sopranos is about the mob as a collective.

[(Anonymous)]

If we're looking at Shakespearean tragedies specifically, I'd say that we're looking at two different flavors of Shakespeare. If Breaking Bad is Hamlet, a Greek-style Tragedy that hinges on a tragic flaw in the main character, the Sopranos is more like Romeo and Juliet, in which the main characters are flawed but the driving force behind the tragic outcome is societal.

[(Anonymous)]

...What of it?

[(Anonymous)]

I love both shows but in every which way The Sopranos is leagues ahead of Breaking Bad.

TBF to Breaking Bad, the clear cut beginning, middle and end of the story is much clearer and much more Walt focused, which is a great way to keep the audience invested the whole way through.

But it's the ways in which Tony's life affects those he loves in which he or even his loved ones may not even realize. The nuances that pay off to that finale. The way it ends and the audience reaction? That's what elevates it. It's not the cut to black itself. It's the whole show paying off that ending.