[ SECRET POST #5722 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5722 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[chamonix]

It always makes me laugh that people can call secondary female characters Mary Sues when the Doctor is RIGHT THERE. Sexism at its finest!

[(Anonymous)]

Not the secret OP but, a canon Mary Sue is a character who comes into a series and then everything starts to revolve around them until they might as well have become the new main character, or the most important person in-universe who the main character now revolves around.

Main characters of any gender who are ~~special~~ get a pass from being Mary Sues, by virtue of the fact that they're supposed to be that way. It could be (and usually is) poor writing, but it's not being a Mary Sue. Any character of any gender who is what I described in the first paragraph is what makes a Mary Sue.

So yup, the Doctor gets to be special and River doesn't! It would be that way if the Doctor had always been a woman and River was a man.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Very much agreed! Mary Sues are Mary Sues because of the way they warp an ongoing narrative to be All About Them. And yes, Gary Stus are a thing, as well.

[(Anonymous)]

Disagree. Look at popular teen series aimed at girls, like Twilight. The female main protagonist is often called a Mary Sue.

Most male protagonists do get a pass. But even Harry Potter had lots of discussions about how Harry was a Mary Sue back in the day.

[(Anonymous)]

People who call those characters Mary Sues are wrong.

Very, very wrong.