[ SECRET POST #5775 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5775 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[The Murderbot Chronicles]


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[Witchfinder General]


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[The Mermaid Princess's Guilty Meal]


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[Arknights]


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11. [SPOILERS for The Rings of Power]




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12. [SPOILERS for Person of Interest]




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13. [SPOILERS for Mary Skelter 2]




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14. [WARNING for discussion of abuse]




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15. [WARNING for discussion of rape(-revenge films? this is here just in case)]































Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #826.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Usually people do both. It's not like anyone's pretending they don't think two guys together are hot. They also just happen to really only want to write about that and not the women too because the women are not written well to begin with.

[(Anonymous)]

I also find "It would be fine if people just owned their preferences" patently untrue; when a girl says "m/m is just my preference," she's 10 times more likely to be met with "Preferences don't exist in a vacuum. I think you should examine the internalized misogyny that gave you that preference" than "ok cool"

[(Anonymous)]

+100

"Examine your preferences until you come around to liking what I think you should like. If you don't get there, you're not doing it right."

[(Anonymous)]

But that's exactly because so many people trot out the "I only ship m/m because the female characters all suck" rhetoric. Honestly these days whenever I see someone say "I only ship m/m" I'm just expecting the next thing out of their mouth to be "because the female characters suck" since I see that used as a justification all. the. damn. time.

So yeah, at this point it's hard for me to buy that there isn't at least a little internal misogyny going on in a lot of cases.

[(Anonymous)]

Possibly, but it's also inevitable that everyone has some level of misogyny in them due to our socialization, and I think having a preference for m/m is the most harmless way to manifest that misogyny. In the real world I put my mouth and money into supporting women and have amazing female friends, and frankly find the fact that I'm supposed to relate to some of the so-called awesome female characters y'all defend or see my friends in them an insult to us. But hey, if my preference for m/m is in fact that bit of misogyny in me taking form, I think I'm doing pretty good and have no desire to change it.

This is the conclusion I've reached from listening to the advice to examine my preferences and spending years of my life in fandom doing just that.

[(Anonymous)]

PS from SA:

You know where I've also concluded that bit of misogyny manifests in girls who accuse m/m fans of having internalized misogyny? That would be "I love fic about female characters! Look at me, I'm Not Like Other Girls! I'm special!" Like the responses to this secret.

[(Anonymous)]

This is a really weird take, and it makes no sense.

You really think it makes you look good when you make fun of people you disagree with, and accuse them of misogyny because they like to...read about female characters? “I’m not like other girls, I like female characters”? That’s not what being an NLOG is. Just accusing someone of being an NLOG means nothing if there’s no societal precedence for the behavior beyond your own anecdotal experience, especially if the behavior of the person you’re calling an NLOG is actually supportive of other women.

And claiming it’s misogyny to like to read about or to appreciate female characters is disingenuous. Your last post had you specifically say that you don’t think the female characters people like are actually good, even though you have no idea what characters are being thought of in this instance. This is just transparently your bias talking. You’re unintentionally demonstrating the points of the anon who says m/m only shippers frequently embody some internalized misogyny, because they claim it’s because the female characters aren’t written well enough, but they will never be written well enough for you. Several anons have said trying to justify why you only like m/m besides just finding it the most personally appealing is where the misogyny usually kicks in, and you showed that. And you say you’re proud of that and don’t mind having that internalized misogyny, but you’re acting way too defensive for that to be true. You started with “I’m fine with only liking m/m, and the female characters aren’t that good anyways”, and then jump to “Actually, it’s the people that like reading about female characters, especially f/f shippers, that are the REAL misogynists!”. You’ve given nothing to support that point of view, so it doesn’t make any sense, and just shows your hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness.

[(Anonymous)]

"They also just happen to really only want to write about that and not the women too because the women are not written well to begin with."

... you're literally doing exactly what ayrt is complaining about. It's okay to say you only want to write m/m because you think two guys together are hot, full stop. You don't have to jump through hoops to say that you're doing it because the women aren't written well.

[(Anonymous)]

Fucking thiiiiiiis.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. They have an embarrassing lack of self-awareness.