[ SECRET POST #5777 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5777 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think that this is an incredibly charitable reading of some of the posts in that thread. And that's not necessarily bad but I don't think it lines up with the way that the conversations in the thread have gone overall.

The Mako stuff was brought up as "proof" she was bisexual in canon, and whether you read that as expressly lesbophobic/promoting the idea that only Gold Stars are Real Gays or not is up to you, but it could also easily have been read as simply "in canon, we see her dating boys and girls, which is pretty bisexual at face value". That does NOT say "anyone who has dated a man cannot possibly be a lesbian".

I guess you can read anything you want any way you want. But what the posts actually say is that "[it is bi erasure to call a character a lesbian] when the character has canonically expressed sexual interest in men. Korra likes men and women, full stop." They say "She's bi. She was with dudes in the show too." I honestly do not see how you can read someone saying that Korra is definitely bi because she expressed interest in men in the show and if you disagree you are doing bi erasure, and summarize that as just saying that it's easy to read Korra as bi at face value and better representation than is common for bi characters.

To me, those posts are very unambiguous and definite. They really don't leave any room for interpretation. And I mean, maybe they just misspoke and didn't mean to say that. OK, it happens sometimes. Especially because people have incredibly strong feelings about bi representation for very good reasons and so things get emotionally charged.

But that level of charity doesn't match the tone of discussion earlier ITT. Rather, what we have earlier in the thread is a lot of posts about how the people who thought that it was acceptable to headcanon Korra as lesbian were biphobic. There are a lot of posts about how the people who HCed Korra as a lesbian were insisting that Korra *had* to be a lesbian and that they thought that sexuality is defined by your current partner. There's been several posts that basically sum up the original thread as "some people did biphobia, and then they were gently and reasonably corrected."

I don't think any of that is an accurate reading of the original thread at all. And when I read your post here about the people who thought Korra was bi, and I compare it to the posts in this thread about the people who thought it was OK to headcanon her as a lesbian, the difference in how those posts were interpreted is incredibly stark. It's like night and day.

[(Anonymous)]

And do you think everyone who's arguing that Korra could totally be a lesbian is being rational and kind in all of their responses?

That thread and this one got heated, for sure. I don't think anyone denies that--it's very clearly still a hot topic--but it also absolutely wasn't One Side Being Logical and Reasonable and the Other Side Being All Kinds of Awful. The Gold Star argument, for example, I found to be inflammatory as hell because it put accusations and assumptions into the mouths of the other side.

Basically, you have your reading of the thread and I had mine. People were shit all around.

[(Anonymous)]

it also absolutely wasn't One Side Being Logical and Reasonable and the Other Side Being All Kinds of Awful

Absolutely, people were being irrational and angry on both sides, it was a shitshow everywhere, it was very stupid wank. I have no problem admitting that. But... surely this same point also has to apply to the people who initially said the thread was just people kindly and gently correcting anyone who thought that Korra wasn't bisexual?

I'm fine leaving it in the past and I'm fine admitting that it got way too heated on all sides. I do think it's shitty to go around bringing it up months later as an example of F!S being bigoted and biphobic with no further context. Which is how it was presented and characterized ITT.

[(Anonymous)]

It was presented as an example of bigotry and the OP being "dogpiled". The biphobia/homophobia was brought up after as explanation, But yes.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, no. It was presented as an example of people here cryng "bigotry!!!!" over something that wasn't, in answer to people specifically asking. So, no, it isn't quite the way you are presenting the story.

[(Anonymous)]

People wanted examples of someone crying "bigotry!!" over something that wasn't, and the person being asked provided this as one. Others chimed in on how it totally wasn't, and we were off.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it was brought up as an example of people crying "bigotry!!!" over something that actually wasn't bigotry, in answer to people specifically asking for examples. Don't put words in other people's mouths, please.

[(Anonymous)]

So were the bi-erasure accusations. Those were also inflammatory as hell, and they started from the very first reply to that secret.