[ SECRET POST #5810 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5810 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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05. [SPOILERS for Black Panther: Wakanda Forever]




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06. [SPOILERS for Sandman]
[WARNING for discussion of rape/sexual assault]




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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #831.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

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08. [WARNING for discussion of rape]
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[(Anonymous)]

I'm glad for you, but all that has been a thing for a very long time already.

[(Anonymous)]

"it's not rape if the omega is in heat" is hot imo

but happy for OP if they've found stories they like more!

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who is into ABO for the A/O content, I nonetheless feel you on the whole "it's not rape if the omega is in heat" thing. The first few ABO fics I read, back in the early days of the trope, were of that variety, and I very nearly noped the hell out and never looked back.

[(Anonymous)]

What's the appeal of this trope without the dubcon/noncon aspects? The dog penises? The mpreg? I'm legitimately baffled by this.

[(Anonymous)]

Knotting, self-lubricating butts, extreme size kink with the bottom able and eager to take a huge cock without there having to be a whole bunch of prep first, tons of come, extreme horniness, pheromonal compatibility.

[(Anonymous)]

Knotting is pretty dog penis adjacent.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

It is, but the comment asking what the appeal of fully consensual A/B/O seemed to be scoffing at the idea that knotting and/or mpreg could be the reason some people like the trope. (At least, that's how I read the tone of that comment.) So AYRT is saying, no, that genuinely is one of the things that some people like about it.

[(Anonymous)]

DA - Glad someone else said it.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

this.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, OP already stated one of the appeals of the trope in their secret: "explorations of politics of such worlds". The worldbuilding in A/B/O fic is one of my absolute favorite things, too.

A little less explicitly stated in OP's secret is that A/B/O gives you new types of queerness to explore, e.g. A/A fic or O/O fic or top!O/bottom!A.


Other elements common to A/B/O fic that I particularly love:

Scents as an integral part of human communication, both to distinguish whether characters are alphas, betas, or omegas, and to convey information about characters' emotional states.

Ruts and/or heats that lead to pining and desperation, e.g. an omega or alpha locking themself into a room with a bunch of sex toys to ride out their heat or rut alone, and the other half of the pairing is right outside the door, and they can both hear and smell each other and are going half-crazy with desire the entire time the heat or rut lasts.

Dominance/submission as an assumed part of A/O relationships, that the characters in the fic variously embrace or reject or have complicated feelings about, etc.


And then there are all the elements common to A/B/O fic that I'm not hugely interested in, but that some readers certainly are. The first response to your comment covered most of them. Then there's also mpreg--including in the context of f/m relationships, which is different from vanilla mpreg fic outside of A/B/O; fpreg in the context of f/f relationships; and dual genitalia (aka the big new trend I've been noticing in A/B/O in my fandoms).

[(Anonymous)]

OP here. You've hit the nail right on the head! There's so much to explore about the concepts that make up the A/B/O setting, especially when the characters are allowed to have actual personalities. I'm not really into it for the kink aspect (I actually find the stuff in the first reply mostly unappealing, but I can live with them), but I love the worldbuilding and, well, the porn can be a nice bonus.

[(Anonymous)]

The only a/b/o fics I've ever enjoyed where the A/A, O/O and beta-centric ones. Omegaverse feels like an extremely heteronormative universe most of the time, and it's a breath of fresh air to explore pairings considered queer in the universe.

[(Anonymous)]

NGL when I read abo I'm imagining human dicks that just work similar to a wolf - mostly because I've never looked up animals and I don't like like starting to any time soon.

[(Anonymous)]

*animals dicks

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not that into beastiality is the reason I don't like a/b/o, but to each their own.

[(Anonymous)]

ABO has nothing to do with bestiality, but if you mean you're not into furry stuff then fair enough. That said, there's also plenty of ABO out there that is nominally furry at most. Not saying you have to like it, just saying it exists.

[(Anonymous)]

So scenting, knotting, heat, plus whatever the hell else is going on in a/b/o has nothing to do with bestiality? The only thing that doesn't make it furry is the actual lack of fur.

[(Anonymous)]

A/B/O, furries, and bestiality are, count 'em, THREE different things. So yeah. There may be crossover, but in the same way that regular vanilla human sex has cross over with bestiality in that there's often times a penis going into something...

[(Anonymous)]

Beastiality is fucking animals that are unable to consent, ABO or any fictional non-human being capable of communicating with each other is not beastiality.

[(Anonymous)]

One of my favorite fics of all time is an A B O fic where the omega is hiding his status and due to having to attend while he's on heat, he gets suppressants that fail him and his childhood friend offers to help. Most of the fic is pretty emotional where the omega has a lot of internalized hatred for being and omega and coming to terms with feelings he has for his friend.

I wish I could find another like it but yeah.

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't roughly half of omegaverse fics basically this premise? Or extremely similar.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

That's basically what I was thinking. In my case, the D/s role essentialism decoupled from gender expectations, and the overlap with animal sex are both very appealing, but this *plot* just does nothing for me.

The idea of submissives having all this self-hate against their sexuality is a huge turn-off. And the "well, but it's okay if it's you," reminds me far too much of the internalized homophobia in a lot of early slashfic - which took pains to spell out that it's not that these excellent and very manly men were GAY in any broader sense, heavens no, they were sleeping with each other as the sole exception to their straightness because they were madly in love with each other.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

And crud, the above came out more harshly than I meant it. I don't want to denigrate what other people enjoy reading or writing, and hope the person you responded to finds the story they loved so much. It's just, I was reading this thread with a sense of "why don't I like ABO again? When it's got obscure kinky stuff that I go for in other sorts of stories?" and then someone mentioning this trope that seems like it's everywhere reminded me.

I guess part of my thing is that a lot of characters that I can see as submissive are not given to being emotionally out of control. They've already come to terms with their identity alone, by the time we see them in canon, and they own it. And ABO stories tend to shoe-horn them through the same vulnerable!virgin omega skeleton plot as everyone else.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't come across it as often as that - BUT, maybe that depends on the fandom? idk maybe its more popular in something like supernatural - just not the fandoms I've been in for some reason.