[ SECRET POST #5886 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5886 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Stargate SG-1]



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09. [SPOILERS for Treasure Planet]




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10. [WARNING for discussion of incest]

[Vampire Game]



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11. [WARNING for possible discussion of transphobia (JK Rowling related)]




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12. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia, other bigotry, suicide]
























Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #842.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Fanfic works more like a library than like something any one person is justified in claiming private ownership over.

I am not saying that people should be denied anything because they delete their stories. What I am saying is that I think the OP putting stories back up in anonymous form is doing something that benefits the whole community, while people who take their stuff down are making the space poorer, and people who react to take downs with "well, luckily I copied that before it disappeared" apparently feel very morally virtuous while helping no one but themselves.

I'm not trying to inflame the conversation, and I can see that most people came into this secret feeling like it was shocking. But I ache from the enforced loss of all the stories on LiveJournal that StrikeThrough arbitrarily inflicted, and from the pattern of deletions on other commercial platforms. The AO3 may look very steadfast right now, but consider that they had someone up for elections that thought the archive would be so much nicer if they rejected the sort of fic that every ad-supported platform doesn't want. If fandom had more of a culture of copying and re-uploading, as opposed to squirreling away goods in private hard drives (and hoping the backups never lose data), less would be censorable and removable and lost. Less would depend on the benevolence of archives most of us didn't make and might not be able to trust indefinitely. A cultural norm that celebrated what this OP is doing instead of shaming them for - of all things! - taking control away from an author would serve fandom much better than this collective gasp of indignation does, IMO.

[(Anonymous)]

I guarantee you that if fandom had a regular culture of re-uploading, the vast majority of fic would be posted only to locked discords with really strong policies of not posting it off the discord. Keeping control of your work is one of things you expect to get in return for not charging money for it.

I remember the days back before LJ, when you would post to usenet or mailing lists and then people would email to ask if it was ok to repost your story to their website. And sometimes you said yes, and there are some stories only preserved that way! But, notably, even then, *you still asked*. And I remember the days toward the end of LJ where nearly everybody was locking everything because they couldn't trust that posting publicly wouldn't result in a dogpile, and that was also shit. Fandom norms exist for a reason, and you aren't entitled to anybody's fanfic.

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AYRT

Respectufully, you can't "guarantee me" anything of the kind. You don't know what people are doing where you're not watching them do it.

Please quit condescending to me, though. I was there on LiveJournal, too, and regarded the fic posted to people's journals differently than I regarded the fic that they put on fanfiction archives because the former was in a space that they sometimes seemed to forget was not private, while the latter was unmistakably not theirs. And their assumption that LJ was "their space" was contradicted in the cruelest way possible when LiveJournal decided to destroy everything companies didn't want their precious advertisements to be showing up next to. That's what strikethrough was. And these politeness norms you're so quick to defend mean that most of that content is unrecoverable - lost to the authors, lost to the readers, lost to everyone but possibly the NSA.

Whereas, sites that have been completely nuked but were frequented by people who treat "stuff that is taken down can be put back online by anyone" like a given on the internet ... have been restored for everyone's benefit with a level of detail that I can only envy.