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Unless the train picks me up at my door and takes me direct to my destination, it is still going to take longer and require more fucking around than my car. Plus it means sharing personal space with some gross sweaty germ ridden other person, which my car does not require.

AYRT

Because your personal convenience is definitely worth making the planet uninhabitable...

You're right, anon. It's just an inconvenient reality and people get hostile when you confront them with it.

"gross sweaty germ ridden" other people are not simply a convenience issue in these times of covid

AYRT

They are if everyone has access to sanitation and hygiene and mental and physical healthcare. Mass transit (except planes) don't even make the top ten list of places you're most likely to catch covid. Wash your hands and wear a mask. Done.

Individual traffic has been proven to be the smallest and most negligible part of global pollution. It's just a way for governments and industries to try and put the blame on the individual who can't actually change much on the global scale and away from themselves. And where do you think all the electricity for those oh so clean electronic cars and trains comes from?

It's not a large part but it's still a part. The amount of emissions we need to reduce is very large, and reducing individual traffic is relatively easy to do compared to a lot of other things, and there are other reasons besides emissions to do it.

And where do you think all the electricity for those oh so clean electronic cars and trains comes from?

I mean.... the whole point is that we do have ways of generating electricity that are not fossil fuel-based. We have wind and solar which are growing really quickly, we have nuclear, and we have hydro.

Oh yes, the super clean, not at all highly toxic nuclear energy.

NAYRT

Coal ash is more radioactive than nuclear waste.... so....

DA

The amount of mis/disinformation around nuclear energy is staggering, and I admit I have no idea how to counter the emotional urge to reject any fact checking around nuclear power.

Such as the misinformation that coal ash is more radioactive than nuclear waste you mean?

AYRT

Not necessarily, although that particular bit likely stems from the lack of regulation around coal ash storage and disposal, which does present more opportunities for contamination and long term health issues.

https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2015/09/02/Researchers-find-radioactive-contaminants-in-coal-ash/7841441211980/

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(Anonymous) - 2023-02-19 19:28 (UTC) - Expand

Be careful what you call misinformation.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2022-003567_EN.html

https://www.epa.gov/radtown/radioactive-wastes-coal-fired-power-plants

https://inis.iaea.org/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/43/035/43035329.pdf

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/

https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/do-coal-fired-power-stations-produce-radioactive-waste/

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(Anonymous) - 2023-02-19 19:56 (UTC) - Expand

No it's not. Nuclear waste properly shielded has less radiation than coal ash but in a lot of places it is not properly stored and shielded and also, accidents happen and once the protective casing is damaged, the radiation is insanely higher. Also the waste around coal plants is more radioactive than around nuclear plants, because the nuclear plants are much, much better protected/shielded. Stop misinterpreting/parroting misinterpreted data.
And nobody said coal is better, are you daft?

It's not fossil fuel based. It doesn't cause air pollution and global warming. The original post was talking about where the electricity for electric cars come from. Nuclear power is one answer to that question: it's a way to generate electricity for electric cars that doesn't involve fossil fuels and doesn't contribute significantly to global warming and air pollution.

Obviously, nuclear power also has problems. IMO those problems can be successfully managed and mitigated. I definitely think that nuclear is conclusively better than coal or gasoline, and replacing coal-based electric generation with nuclear-based electric generation is absolutely a positive change, even though at the same time you wouldn't want to power the entire electric system with nuclear (also IIRC nuclear and solar/wind are complementary to each other).

The thing is- isolating just the energy production of nuclear power plants from the huge, huuuge rats tail of the nuclear waste it produces is a faulty argument. It is a highly destructive energy source - just not during production (if everything goes well and there are not major accidents that is).

Even if you're very pessimistic about our ability to store nuclear waste, it's still a less pronounced problem than the negative externalities associated with fossil fuels especially coal.

Coal is a really bad fuel source in terms of pollution and we should absolutely prefer nuclear to it, even though nuclear also has big problems. We should prefer solar and wind to nuclear, but it's still a positive tradeoff to replace coal power with nuclear power.

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This. Also, I can't sing my little heart out to early 2000s pop punk songs or perform my one woman version of Les Miserables on public transport.

Tradeoff though, I can read on my bus/train commute. When I did that twice a day I read SO MANY more books. Can't do that while driving (audiobooks, sure, but my memory retention is a lot better of stuff I read than stuff I hear).

OK, yeah, there are some advantages to driving, being in private is nice, it's all great. But it's also a lot more expensive than taking public transit. You're spending a lot of money to be in private. And also, a lot of the reason it's so convenient is because American cities are designed that way. There's a lot of things that we've done to reduce potential fuckery and annoyance for people who drive.

Like, think about parking. Parking can be a *huge* hassle and require a lot of fucking around if there aren't parking spaces, both at wherever you live to park it when it's at home, and at your destination. American cities devote huge amounts of real estate to parking, including really valuable square footage in the middle of urban cores. If that square footage could be used for other stuff, like housing or business developments, that would be great for cities economically. Using all that space for parking is a huge cost to cities, even though it's effectively invisible. And that's just one example.

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If I lived in a city with great public transportation like New York, I'd give up my car.

I think the solution is urban cores with great public transportation and park-and-ride for people coming in from suburbs or visiting.

I live in England. Running a car is much, much cheaper than taking public transport. To access a train would now take me two buses and two walks, totalling a minimum of two hours in one direction.

If it's a well designed system, it really doesn't. I take public transit to work everyday and it's cheaper, faster and easier than taking the car.

The trains can get full and I do hope that there's a special hell for people who take calls on speaker in public, but by and large it's way more convenient than taking the car for me (and all the thousands of other commuters on my route).

God, moving to a city and getting rid of my car was honestly one of the best financial decisions I ever made because I save probably a couple thousand dollars a year by using public transportation instead of owning a car. Cars are MASSIVE money sinks and it boggles my mind that people don't seem to realize this.

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