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Part of me feels very annoyed about all of the professional writers complaining about how they don't make enough money and they want to go on strike so they can make more money.

You know what? You knew that writing mostly doesn't make any money when you went into it. And you know that there are legions and legions of people out there who would be ready to do your job for lower wages in a second.

You know why? Because writing is cool. That's the whole reason you went into it! Because it's creatively satisfying, and because it's cool when people know that you're a professional writer and you get to feel cool and respected and admired.

So you've been getting all of those social wages of being admired and respected for being a writer, and you knew that was the deal when you went into the profession - so stop telling me how badly off you are because you don't make enough money. Of course I still support the strike, but don't give me this "poor little me" schtick.

"social wages of being admired and respected for being a writer" - LOL.

To be fair, I think you're unclear on the difference between being a writer in Hollywood for TV and movies vs. writing books. The former can mean a decent amount of money, even though your name is not a household name. It used to be that you didn't have to be Stephen King or JK Rowling to make decent bank as a writer. You just needed regular work on a TV show or something like that - because TV shows used to run 20+ episodes per season and a good one could run for multiple seasons (and not get cancelled after season 3 like now) and shows used to hire groups of writers for the duration of the show instead of trying to pump smaller groups of writers for ideas, then firing them after a short period of time.

To a degree I understand your frustration with writers going on strike because they want more money while getting the attention, status and leg up in the industry/community.
But on the other hand, fuck capitalism and our production obsessed world for having little to no value with creative work.

Writing is such a difficult task, fiction and non-fiction. And it goes highly under-appreciated and under-recognized.
We all want to be an author/writer but so few get to and even at that a job dedicated to just writing is a dying profession.

This is just another area in which making money overtook everything else and we're all suffering because of it.

And IMHO we need to tackle that more than anything else.

Respect and admiration don't pay the rent or buy the food, dude. Especially not in Hollywood, or LA, where the crappiest, borderline-condemned houses and properties run for seven figures.

genuinely don't think people think "wow so cool" when they do not have health care and cannot pay rent, and also this state of affairs was not actually the way writers got into the business. there have been actual changes to the writing and production model that means people make significantly less money than they used to, some of which is because of streaming, some of which is shorter seasons, some of which is because of racism and homophobia (aka this change also primarily happened when writers rooms started diversifying), all of which is deliberate fucking over.

and also i think capitalism has gotten to you bud because "you should be thankful to stave if your crumbs can get likes on insta" is not just unpopular or incorrect, but very weirdly ignorant of what social popularity is or how it works, considering that being socially popular is now also a requirement of breaking in for the unconnected in the industry.

AYRT and while I don't really want to defend myself in general (I think the title of the original post indicates that), I just want to reiterate that I am supportive of the strike.

It's like when professional athletes strike - regardless of how much money they make, I'm still going to support them, because they're the ones who create the value and because they deserve a greater share of the profits and because the owners are exploitative. If professional athletes went on strike and were constantly talking about poor little old us, I'd continue to support the strike regardless - but I'd also roll my eyes at how they were talking about it.

Writers have extremely desirable, rewarding and cool jobs. They still deserve more money and security. I'm just annoyed about how they talk about it.

extremely desirable, rewarding and cool jobs
this is the part you and i disagree on because this is at least 30 years out of date. "starving artist" is no longer cool even to artists. i would actually say that athletes are the significantly more reasonable to put that on.

How can you say you support the strike if you feel like writers have no right to complain about not making enough money, or sometimes even a living wage? It feels like you’re contradicting yourself there, like the “of course I still support the strike” is tacked on to make your vent sound less callous towards the writers. And this sounds a lot like the professional writer equivalent of when people tell artists “Why are you so greedy asking for money? You should just be happy being paid in exposure” to me.

As much as I don’t agree with you, you’re entitled to your opinion, and to vent it. I’m just pointing out how strange it is to me to spend the whole time saying that writers should feel lucky just to be writers, and should take whatever money they get and not ask for more, and then say “But of course I support the strike”. And following that with “but don't give me this "poor little me" schtick.” makes it feel even more like you’re contradicting yourself.

Admiration and respect doesn't pay for rent, food, your doctor's bill when you get sick, your car insurance, your clothes, your kids, your retirement plan,... You get the point.

Pitting workers against each other ("you know there are legions of legions of people doing your job for less money") is not the right approach. Think about it this way: the people who will get into this career in the future will profit from the wage negotiations taking part now. Because people shouldn't have to settle for being underpaid.

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The strike isn't about that. They're not striking because they're not getting paid enough NOW. They're striking because they only get the opportunity to change the rules every so often and they see some very bad trends in their workplace.

In any event, even if they WERE striking about today's wages, I will always support a union (except cops who can go fuck themselves). EVERYONE should be paid more.

That:s exactly the same thing scabs say about *every* job though. "How dare these sanitation workers strike when there are thousands of unemployed people who would be overjoyed with what they've got!"

(They wouldn't be. That's kind of the point of a strike. Even if it's your dream job... If you get it and it's literally killing you, then you're not happy you got it, and quitting so the next person can start killing themself too helps nobody.)

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I sort of feel bad for the scabs that take the work because they need it. They get called names and people spread their images around on- and offline.

Viewpoints like this are why we're just recycling old shit instead of celebrating new stories. You don't want to support all the work that goes into art, writing, performance, etc. But it's WORK. It takes somebody's efforts and time, blood sweat and tears. But you don't see the hours, days, weeks, etc that go into the process. You just see the final product and think you're entitled to it for free or a very low price. Nevermind the person creating this work, who needs compensation to continue creating work or end up homeless or in some other state preventing them from creating works.

People who are content with simply writing because it's "creatively satisfying" are usually well-off or have an incredible benefactor. Stop buying into the lie that writers don't need or deserve proper compensation. I don't give a shit who's willing to do the job for less - that doesn't justify not paying writers what they're actually worth (and not what you think you can get away with not paying).

Nope.

Writing for a movie or show is a full time job with deadlines and workers further downstream depending on those deadlines. I'd like novelists to make good money too, but it's not the same thing.

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