[ SECRET POST #5961 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5961 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I agree - I'd say that's really a pretty paradigmatic example of American racial discourse imposing itself or being imposed on the rest of the world. That's exactly what I understand people to mean when they talk about American racial discourse imposing on the rest of the world.

But the point I want to make is that I don't think that's what's happening when people call Cleopatra black. It has nothing to do with the particular dimensions of how race relations manifest in America or how Americans think about race. It's just entirely people from one ethno-nationalist group looking at history and making up a spurious reason to say that a famous person was one of them.

[(Anonymous)]

Nobody is discussing "the entire idea of people calling Cleopatra black" though.

People are discussing a specific media piece made by Jada Pinkett Smith who is known for this kind of stuff, produced by Netflix which is also known for this kind of stuff, about another country's history while the country in question has literal government bodies being like wtf quit this shit at this particular person (Smith) and company (Netflix) while the lead actress in the film is like "lol haters"

It has a ton to do with Americans and American media. That's what it is.

[(Anonymous)]

The people involved happen to be American, but the ideology isn't distinctly American in any way.

It's the exact opposite of the Diane Abbot thing - Diane Abbott isn't American, but it's clear that what was going on was an effect of a distinctly American ideological understanding of race. In this case, the people involved are American, but the ideology involved isn't really. It's just a standard kind of revisionist history that exists worldwide. It has no relation whatsoever to the distinctly American ideological understanding of race or racial belonging.

[(Anonymous)]

It is though. It's Americans who love to portray other cultures and people in them through their own lens. In this case it's Black Americans going "this real person was totally Black and and it's completely fine for a Black actress to play her in this documentary, if you disagree and dislike our portrayal, you're racist because we Black Americans are oppressed as a group and you're obviously oppressing us further".

[(Anonymous)]

It's literally no different than saying, like, Buddha was Aryan, or Jesus was Serbian, or whatever

[(Anonymous)]

Considering Buddha is from India, he actually could have been Aryan lol
Gotta love the Nazis for misappropriation of cultural shit they didn't understand.