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[ SECRET POST #882 ]

⌈ Secret Post #882 ⌋

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101.

[Peanuts]

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102.

[Kamen Rider Den-O]

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103.

[Avatar]

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104. [repeat]

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105.

[Twilight/CastleVania]

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106.

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107.

[Vampire Knight, Ouran High School Host Club]

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108.

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109.

[T-mobile NBA commercials; Dwane Wade, Charles Barkley, Dwight Howard]

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110.

[Angela Aki]

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111.

[Blackadder Goes Forth, Sharpe]

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112.

[Skins]

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113.

[Gossip Girl]

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114.

[Yet Another Fantasy Gamer Comic]

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115.

[About a Boy]

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116.

[Ghost Hunt]

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117.

[Repo]

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118.

[Elite Beat Agents]

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120.

[Phantom of the Opera]

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122.

[Brian "Head" Welch - Korn]

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123.

[Storm Hawks]

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124. [repeat]

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125.

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127.

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131.

[Kavinsky/SebastiAn]

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132.

[Ronin Warriors]

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133.

[Fringe]

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134.

[Tudors]

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[Kevin Barnes, Mika Penniman]

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139.

[Avatar]

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140.

[Green Lantern]

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141.

[Hollyoaks]

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142.

[Amy Winehouse/Simon Amstell]

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143.

[Charles in Charge, Eureka]

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144.

[Harriet the Spy]

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[Star Trek/Dr Who]

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[Russell Brand, Stephen Fry]

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148.

[iCarly]

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[Jeeves and Wooster]

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153.

[The Thick of It]

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154.

[The Cornered Mouse Dreams of Cheese / The Carp on the Chopping Block Jumps Twice]

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155.

[Hana Yori Dango]

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156.

[American Idol / Idolatry]

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157.

[As the World Turns]

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158.

[Charlie Bartlett]

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160.

[Legend of the Seeker]

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[Springwatch]

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[Ted Allen]

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[Animorphs]

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[Avatar]

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[Ace of Cakes]

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169. [SPOILERS for Mentalist]

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[The Adventures of Brisco County Jr.]

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[BtVS]

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175. [Star Trek: Hidden Frontier/Helena Chronicles, Odyssey; possible spoilers]

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[LOST]

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[Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei/No Longer Human]

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180.

[When The Boat Comes In]

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[Red Dwarf]

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Oh, please, get over yourself and realize that anon is right. Asia doesn't exist in Avatar. They make look Asian, their cultures may be inspired by Asian cultures that we have here but they aren't Asian. Just as the Doctor in Doctor Who may look English, speak English and dress in a Western style but he isn't English because there isn't an England on his world.

The world of Avatar is an alien world. Hence, the crazy hybrid animals. (Save for the bear.) It's not Earth. Please, understand this.

So, wait, despite the fact that the clothes, buildings, weapons, fighting styles, spiritualities, food and practically everything else in Avatar is Asian based, they can't be Asian?

I see it more as an alternate universe Asia, not some Alien world.

Just a small FYI, a lot of the things in Avatar are also based on Indian culture as well. Not all of it is Chinese/Japanese.

The person above didn't specify what kind of Asian by saying Chinese and/or Japanese. They simply said "Asian." As India is a part of Asia, I don't see how your response is relevant. It kind of doesn't fit.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, but I didn't want to say it in case I missed some key part of the thread or something.

If they didn't mean Chinese/Japanese then there wouldn't be a complaint about Zuko being played by an Indian actor.

There isn't a complaint about Zuko being played by an Indian actor, at least not by

une_pomme_folle. Your response is both misplaced and misdirected, sorry.

She said that if the culture, clothes, etc, are based on Asian culture, why can't they be played by Asians. Obviously she was, since Zuko is included in the casting. Sorry that you can't understand this simple fact.

So, wait, despite the fact that the clothes, buildings, weapons, fighting styles, spiritualities, food and practically everything else in Avatar is Asian based, they can't be Asian?

Uh, yeah, and since the actor who plays Zuko is already Asian,

une_pomme_folle might actually be referring to the actors who play Aang, Katara, and Sokka.

Sorry that you can't understand this simple fact. So sorry.

Isn't the complaint about Zuko being Indian that making only the villains brown and whitewashing everyone else kind of has unfortunate implications?

It irks me when people constantly call Zuko/Iroh villains. Originally Zuko was, but he has the longest (not to mention the best, IMO) character arc in the whole show. He's a hero, and a hell of a lot more interesting than Aang.

So, I take it you haven't seen the map of the Avatar world (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/avatar/images/4/49/Opening_Avatar_World_Map.png) even though they show it in seemingly every other episode. There is no Asia in that world.

So, no, they can't be Asian. They were inspired by Asian cultures but they aren't actually Asian. I can't go to real life Asia and find the Fire Tribe or myths of the Fire Tribe because it doesn't exist in this world. They aren't part of this world. Therefore; again, they are not Asian.

Now don't get me wrong. That doesn't let the creators of the new movie off the hook with the ability to throw anything in the plot. The past creators of the show have created a fantasy world where there are rules on how the buildings should look, how the language should be written, how the fighting styles should be done. Sort of like the way Tolkien set up his Middle Earth with this race over here with their culture and that race other there with their culture. (Oh, by the way, using your logical the Elves are actually Finnish-Welsh since Tolkien set up their language to mimic that tongue.)

The movie creators have to follow these rules, (though I am sure there is a bit of wiggle room), in order to have a true Avatar world as set up by the original creators.

But again, Avatar is a fantasy world inspired by Asian cultures and not an Asian world in itself.

Uhh, knee jerk reaction much?

I'm pretty sure I didn't say any of that in my post. So, don't be taking out your frustrations on me. kthnx

You called the above person a troll for saying that the people of Avatar weren't Asians because Asia didn't exist in that world.

You even said there was so much fail in that anon post. So, yes, you did say that. Don't try to backtrack. It's sad.

Why are you so adamant to cling to your belief that the characters are not Asian? That even though it's allowable for their food/language/culture/martial art styles/art/clothing/etc. can be based on Asian/Inuit ones, their ethnicities can't?

I'm not backtracking. By calling that person a troll I was stating that I really don't take anyone who says the above statements seriously anymore. Not with all the essays, rants, examples, comparisons, and pictures provided by other people in support of the Avatar character's ethnicity.

But yeah, I'm just going to copy/paste because I don't feel like writing this all out again.

I'm a little bit sick of this argument as it has been refuted and rebuffed by MANY people who can probably say this more articulately, but in short:

Aang ain't white.

The character's cultures are based off those of Asian and Inuit cultures. Their ethnicities are also based off those of Asian and Inuit ones. It's not a logical argument to say that their physical make-up is not that of an Asian/Inuit person because that's what they are! It's like, trying to say they aren't human beings because they exist in a ~*fantasy*~ world. Well, even though they are not from Earth, they are still human beings who happen to closely resemble those with Asian/Inuit ethnicity.

Why do you cling to your belief that they are Asian even though it's a fantasy world set on a different planet?

I never said Aang is white. For that matter, Aang is not even an Earthling Human. He's whatever planet he is on and part of the Air Tribe. That is his ethnic background, Air Tribe. Not Asian. Air Tribe.

Jesus, do you know how hard it is to create whole new worlds out of nothing? To create new races? And what are you doing? You are shoving them into Earth bound categories. Asian. European. Blah, blah, blah.

Aang isn't any more European than he is Asian. Honestly, why does it have to be one or the other?

For Pete's sake, the kid can bend air. He isn't Earth Human. Quit putting him in our neat little boxes of ethnicity.

We wouldn't even be having this conversation if he was blue skinned or looked animorphic. But because the creators decided to make him and the others look like the Humans around us, we have to have this debate. Ugh.

There is no Asia in AVATAR. That is a seperate world. Yes they CAN closely resemble another ethnicity but that doesn't MAKE THEM that ethnicity.

Right. Technically the doctor isn't English and neither are the people in LOTR and nor is Avatar Asian in the sense of sharing the history of Asia in our world.

But it's still widely considered fundamental that the doctor be cast with an English guy, and the LOTR movies looked for white people, preferably with British accents. The real world cultures inspiring those universes were acknowledged as important to the world in ways that the real world cultures inspiring Avatar were not equally important.

Oh, I have no problem with that. Because the characters are inspired by Asian cultures it would make sense for them to be played by Asian actors just like you said the Elves of LOTR should be played by actors of a British/Northern European background since that is the like setting of the books.

However, to call the people of Avatar Asian and be so adamant that people think of them as Asian is where I draw the line. Again, it would be like calling the Elves Finnish-Welsh. But they aren't because those countries don't exist in LOTR.

Exactly. Which means they should all be played by white people.

Especially the brown ones.

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