[ SECRET POST #5967 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5967 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

DA doesn’t the majority of the fandom give him a pass on the attempted rape because he didn’t have a soul yet and it was only an attempt?

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like it's still pretty divisive. Idk. It would be hard to tell what a majority thinks bc no one is out here running scientific polls of Buffy Fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

Just passing by, but I think this is a fair point.

[(Anonymous)]

The attempted rape is bad, but it is in the context of him and Buffy playing consensual sex games where they physically injured each other and did use no-means-yes as part of that sexual relationship. It was attempted rape, but because neither he nor Buffy had set a safe word for their no-means-yes violent sex games, it was also inevitable. Also in the context that Buffy had done something very similar to him a few episodes earlier and he had quickly gone from apparently sincerely protesting to actively enjoying the activity too. It was a shitty situation, but also this is what happens when people don't set safewords or discuss their redlines when playing with BDSM. Always set your safewords and discuss limits in advance, children.

And yes, the soulless monster thing too.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

See, this has nuance and I agree with you, in terms of what was actually going on between the characters. And I think a lot of people saw it that way, and also took into account the fact that Buffy was entirely capable of overpowering Spike, so if it came down to one of them forcing the other, the likelihood of her being victimized by him was pretty small.

But the people in fandom who seem to think the point of fiction is to Teach Moral Lessons are 100% resistant to taking stuff like that into account. They want to be right and they want things to be simple, and anything short of "Spike broke an Important Rule, that was Rape, and Rapists are Evil" was and continues to be perceived by them as immoral, confusing, and dangerous. Even though it is really none of these things.