[ SECRET POST #5967 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5967 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Stop gatekeeping. People can headcanon what they want. They don't need a reason. It has no moral value attached.

[(Anonymous)]

how is it "gatekeeping" to point out the homophobic implications in taking a character who has been explicitly stated by the canon creator to be gay and turning them into someone of the opposite sex? it's just a statement of facts.

[(Anonymous)]

What are the homophobic implications?

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

That's funny, I had interpreted that the characters were still gay, just that the headcanon had their gender different.

[(Anonymous)]

See, if they actually kept the characters as gay, just as a different gender, that would be kind of weird but whatever, it's cool. But IME whenever someone headcanons a gay character as the opposite sex, it's always so that they're in a het ship instead of a gay one, and yeah, that has pretty gross implications.

[(Anonymous)]

We can argue about whether or not that has gross implications, but also, it is my experience and my assumption that an m/m genderswap would be to f/f and tbh it is weird to me to assume if there's a female character it has to be het

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe things have changed, then, because it used to be that it was done as a way to make what would otherwise be a gay ship into a het one. You used to see it all the time in older fandoms like Gundam Wing.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'm sure it does happen, and I'm sure my experience is colored by spending a lot of time in f/f spaces

Still think it's weird to default to gender changes being homophobic and making characters het though

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this is the obvious interpretation of what's going on. If B headcanoned only one of the men as a woman, it would be possible they were doing it to make a gay ship het. But the secret said B headcanons he characters (plural) as women (also plural). So instead of gay men, they'd be lesbians.

Well, that's assuming they're in a relationship with each other, which is, to be fair, the usual case when two characters are described as gay at the same time.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

You're talking about two fans. Without knowing anything else, I'd guess that fan B had just as much of a right as Fan A did to interpret things according to what made them happier.

And also, I don't think anyone should be forming strong judgments over a conversation that the OP only heard half of, in the first place.

[(Anonymous)]

A is the creator of these original characters. B is taking A's original characters and mixing things up. Not canon characters. A fan's personal original characters.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

B can go take a long walk off a short pier

Am I being charitable in thinking you know that means to GTFO? I.E. Leave the space, i.e. gatekeep? If so, please excuse my assumption that you're a jerk and downgrade you to idiot.

There is no moral implication in what any one person likes. The moral and societal harm comes from the MEDIA - the stuff controlled by rich people and spread far and wide. Not what Cindy from accounting likes to do with her blorbos.

[(Anonymous)]

Just gonna say, that's basically saying, "Go kys"

That's what it means

[(Anonymous)]

This. It’s way harsher and more hateful than GTFO.

[(Anonymous)]

I have never encountered that phrase meant literally. As far as I have experienced it, it has always meant "leave"...

[(Anonymous)]

But the phrase itself does mean “kys” more than just “leave”. It’s not that the people saying it literally want the person to go to a pier and jump off, but it is basically “fuck off and die”. And that does mean that the person using it wants the person they’re talking to to leave, but that specific phrase can’t be separated from telling someone to die, so it can’t mean just “leave” unless the person saying it is ignorant about what the phrase means. Some who use it don’t know that, and do use to it to just mean “fuck off”, but that’s not what it means. People should use a different way of saying GTFO as a result, if that’s all they want to say.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I'm with everyone who's saying it's aggressive, but where I've heard it used it still shades closer to grouchy than wishing death on the other person. "Long walk, short pier" is the angrier cousin of "go jump in a lake." It doesn't automatically have the implication "I hope you drown." Though it does mean "your behavior has offended me, and I want something bad to happen to you."

[(Anonymous)]

It did seem to originally mean something more like “I hope you die”. I even looked it up, because I was starting to doubt myself, and I did find some evidence of that. It is a synonym for other phrases that don’t have a wish for death, which is notable, but that part is still implied sometimes.

I thought that it might have changed in definition with time, and found mixed results for that. Urban Dictionary says it means “go die”, but also says it means to just “shut up”. So it indeed seems like some people changed it so that falling in the water doesn’t necessarily mean drowning, like you said.

[(Anonymous)]

Then I wanna know where you live because whenever I've been told to because I'm queer, it's people wanting me fucking dead. To the point there's even a quest in Silent Hill Downpour where the phrase is involved. It's ALWAYS, in my experience, been a way to say, "Shut up and die already."

[(Anonymous)]

+10

[(Anonymous)]

Some people really get off on pretending to be the thoughts-police.

[(Anonymous)]

This.