[ SECRET POST #5967 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5967 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Inspired by 6 - drama bombs

[(Anonymous)]

OK SO

After Stark spent his entire life making weapons that got sold under the table and killed innocent people, and after creating Ultron after everyone on the team, including Cap, told him NOT TO DO THAT, Stark decides unilaterally that "we need to be controlled, we cause a lot of problems" and signs onto some accords that Wakanda was the front runner for, even though Wakanda ALSO had a superhero who was NOT following any kind of international standards. Stark tried to guilt trip everyone into signing them without reading them, stating that "they could modify the accords AFTER" everyone signed them. Which... is not how that works. Cap is the only one shown to actually READ the damn thing after which he says No. Absolutely Not.

The accords required that all superpowered individuals register with their governments and that they are not allowed to go anywhere to help in any disasters unless explicitly given permission by an international committee. Wanda is put under house arrest because people are afraid of her existing, and unbeknownst to the team, there is an underwater supermax prison set up to hold people breaking the law by *checks notes* helping people.

So. Someone decides to use this opportunity to frame Bucky for murdering the king of Wakanda and Steve, who has NOT signed the accords, rushes off to save him because Bucky is the only thing left of his past (and also innocent). Stark, in complete violation of the accords, blackmails a minor, lies to the minor's guardian, and takes this minor out of the country to go fight without permission of the international committee to try and stop Steve, who meanwhile has found out about the guy trying to frame Bucky and discovers that guy intends to release a whole lot of Really Bad Intentioned superpowered people to cause havoc. Stark eventually joins up with Cap and Bucky in stopping the Bad Guy only to find out that, while Bucky was tortured and brainwashed into forgetting his own name, Bucky was used by nazis to murder Stark's parents. Stark then attempts to murder Bucky, Steve intervenes. Big fight ensues. Steve and Bucky escape, and Steve goes to rescue the rest of his team who had been KIDNAPPED TO THE SECRET UNDERWATER SUPERMAX PRISON (Wanda was kept drugged and in a straight jacket) that we find out Stark KNEW about. Wakanda rescinds their support of the accords and provides shelter to Cap's team.

The End.

Re: Inspired by 6 - drama bombs

[(Anonymous)]

Just because he has good intentions doesn’t make him “completely in the right” though. That’s one of the reasons why people still think he’s the villain. It’s not always about your intentions at the start, it’s about the actions you take along the way. Cap went way too far and made so much shit worse. Nobody looks good in this awful movie, or the atrocious comics it’s based on, because they’re all taking the worst measures possible to achieve their ends, and acting way stupider than they usually would for transparent plot reasons like drama. They all have understandable goals on paper, at least at the start. But they fuck everything up, and then needlessly endanger people more by having their stupid airport fight. And then Steve and Bucky have their dumb fight with Tony. Who’s just learned something awful and is understandably upset. But that’s still not an excuse for attacking someone he just acknowledged was under mind control. And then Cap and Bucky go way too far in the fight, and Bucky almost beheads him. Which was completely avoidable, and goes so far past the “self-defense” excuse because of how far out of his way he went to get that close to killing him.

So a terrible showing all around from start to finish. And Cap is just as bad as Tony in it. No matter if the accords were trustworthy, or whether Bucky deserved to get punished for crimes he didn’t willingly commit(obviously not), Cap does so many shitty actions. So no, based on all the things he did or almost did, he’s not “completely in the right”, just because his motives were understandable and sympathetic.

Re: Inspired by 6 - drama bombs

[(Anonymous)]

How did his actions make ANYTHING worse? He's the one who discovered the plot to release the bad super soldiers. He's the one who focused on stopping them. He stopped an innocent man from being used by two different bad guys (Zemo and Ross) to commit even more crimes. I can't think of a single thing Steve does that makes anything worse. STARK started the airport fight. Steve and Bucky were trying to stop the bad guy, Stark showed up at the airport with a kidnapped teenager in direct violation of the accords to START a super powered fight. Steve just tried to get on a goddamned plane.

Sure, Stark understandably upset, but you don't MURDER people. That's why we have a justice system. And Stark's whole position in this movie was to support even MORE rules and regulations to prevent JUST THIS INSTANCE; though it's quite obvious as the plot moves along that Stark in reality intended them to be rules for everyone but him. He ignores his own arguments and position every time he's ever restricted in his own desires. His actions make A LOT of things worse (lying to his teammates, lying to a minor's guardian, kidnapping a minor, starting a super powered fight in a public area against the accords he signed, trying to murder a POW, general hypocrisy).

Steve and Bucky go to far in the fight? Again, Stark started the fight. He didn't even go after Bucky first; he sucker punched Steve. When he goes after Bucky, Steve yells at Bucky to run. Bucky runs, he doesn't attack Stark. Steve only defends to keep Stark away from Bucky. Bucky only turns around to attack when STARK seriously threatens Steve. And even then, Bucky never gets anywhere near to beheading Stark. He obviously only goes to incapacitate by targeting his arc reactor. And Stark blows his ARM OFF. Steve then gets "understandably upset" and beats the crap out of Tony, but guess what? He doesn't try to kill him. He achieves Bucky's goal of destroying the arc reactor so that Stark can't attack them anymore and then. They LEAVE. They don't beat him up more. They don't try to kill him. They incapacitate so they can STOP FIGHTING. Stark was the aggressor in EVERY interaction.

You haven't provided any shitty actions on Cap's part. Just "went to far" with no details, leading me to believe you don't have any. On the other hand, I have provided several instances of where Stark was objectively, both in terms of real life morality and by the rules of the movie, completely in the wrong.

Steve was completely right.