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⌈ Secret Post #5973 ⌋

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Comments

Re: AO3 drama development

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT--I don't expect every writer to answer my questions or respond to my comments, any more than I expect everyone who reads my fic to ask me questions or leave comments about it.

But up until recently, I could at least be certain that a human did the bulk of the work that I was asking questions about and leaving comments on. If they only wanted to share their work and weren't looking for further interaction from their readers afterwards, they could just ignore any response they got, and (I think?) on Ao3 they can turn off comments.

The bulk of my fic is drawer fic I haven't posted for a variety of reasons; I can hardly expect anyone else to want any particular level of interaction with readers/other fans.

But for writers who do want feedback, whether sheer admiration, questions, concrit, whatever, bot-generated fic has all the usefulness of wooden decoys to ducks. And there are plenty of other writers who don't just want kudos/likes/views on their work, but to discuss it with other readers and writers.

As for AI, I know it's still a misnomer; there's no minds churning out those prompt fills. If there was, I could ask about their creative processes, heh, and not have to understand statistical analysis and computer programming to make sense of the answers.

But I'm using AI in the context of this discussion, which is about language learning models fed massive amounts of often unethically sourced (because it was fed writing not yet in the public domain) and censored (because actual, poorly compensated humans had to set limits on what the AIs could spit out lest they run afoul of corporations and advertisers, by reading and looking at not work/sanity safe writing and images to exclude them) and spitting out statistically common word orders in response to user-generated prompts, not anything self-aware.

Re: AO3 drama development

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I really think this is making a mountain out of a mole hill. I've already seen "AI" generated fic in one of my fandoms and it's quite obvious that's what it is. All it's generated are discussions about how to use "AI" to help with the process of writing (e.g. experimentation) but that the actual output from the computer is crap.

Re: AO3 drama development

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT--yeah, but that's the current state of AI writing.

Assuming it follows the trajectory of AI art, it will at some probably not too distant point improve enough to at least generate reasonable pastiches of, say, James Patterson or Dan Brown, with a couple human writers and/or editors to fix the written equivalent of six fingered, many jointed hands.

Certainly that's the hope of a lot of CEOs and venture capitalists and the fear of a lot of people who make at least some income by writing.

I don't, but I have seen my workplace lose about a third of our staff to various forms of automation over ~20 years, with paycuts and higher workloads as well. And even as a hobby writer, it makes me sad to think that professional writers, whether screenwriters or fiction writers or journalists or whatever else, may soon have even less (and less well paid) work because their bosses think machines are cheaper and complain less, even if quality and people both suffer for it.

Re: AO3 drama development

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

But that's exactly my point. It's not AI. It has limits, it's not going to improve that much because of the inherent limitations of the programming (the fact that it HAS programming). You can automate a lot of stuff but you can't automate language. Language doesn't work like that, especially the longer the content.

Re: AO3 drama development

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT--if ersatz AI writing improves even half as much half as quickly as ersatz AI art has, a lot of people will lose their jobs and a lot of hobbyist writers will have their work buried by sheer volume of AI output.

These fancy algorithms don't have to actually be intelligent or self-aware for their output and the people who own/fund them to fuck over a lot of people.

They don't have to produce groundbreaking novels or treatises on the human condition to screw creators over. Just be cheaper to pay and faster to produce content sludge than actual people.

Re: AO3 drama development

[(Anonymous)]

People argued for a long time that - while engines might have exceeded the best human players in chess - the same would never happen in Go, because it couldn't be automated and because it relied on non-computable intuitive qualities.

Engines conclusively passed human players in Go 6 or 7 years ago.

Re: AO3 drama development

[(Anonymous)]

DA

The way I see it is that big corporations are in charge of SYNTHETIC language generators and wish to produce synthetic writings for profit, in the same way that robot arms are programmed to make the “intelligent“ cars of the future or something.