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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2023-06-16 06:21 pm

[ SECRET POST #6006 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6006 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
Trans women are bio males with usually more of an strength advantage. Biologically, they can beat cis women in many sports.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
Good thing that sports isn't just about strength, but skill, flexibility, speed, and in some cases teamwork, otherwise the men with less testosterone and muscle mass than most women would be SOL.

The reason sports are gendered is because men couldn't handle getting their asses kicked by women.

https://daily.jstor.org/gender-incommensurability-in-sports/

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
So in addition to record breaking MtF athlets we have FtM ones too? Like, say, in artisitic gymnastics? Good to know.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
Chris Mosier, a trans man, became the first transgender athlete to represent the United States in an international competition after earning a spot at the men’s sprint duathlon in 2015. Mosier is a hall of fame triathlete, All-American duathlete, two-time National Champion, and he has made Team USA six times.

Schuyler Bailar, a trans man, was the first openly trans NCAA Division I athlete to compete on a men’s team. He swam for Harvard’s men’s team for four seasons before graduating in 2019, and his last swim placed him in the top 15 percent of NCAA competitors in his event.

In 2018, Patricio Manuel became the first openly transgender man to box professionally in the U.S. and win. He faced off against Mexican athlete Hugo Aguilar.

Mack Beggs is a former high-school and college wrestler who won the Texas state wrestling championships in 2017 and 2018. He had to compete in the girls' division, as necessitated by a Texas rule that requires athletes to compete in the league for the sex they were assigned at birth.

Check and mate.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/athletes-assigned-female-transitioned-mens-sports/

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 01:50 am (UTC)(link)
Those are college level tho? Like, they took part but did not win. Mack Bregg didn't even compete against men, why is he on the list?

Can anyone who's knowlegable in USA sport clarify? The first one looks the most pro due to the word 'National'. I took a look.

1) Mosier made his fourth Team USA team in long course duathlon in the 2017 National Championship, where he placed 2nd in his 35-39 age group and finished 50th overall with a time of 02:40:27. Isn't that too old for pro sport?

2) In 2016, Mosier earned All-American honors in duathlon. Seems like anyone can partake in this event. Doesn't seem pro.
https://www.teamusa.org/usa-triathlon/events/national-championships/2019/2019-duathlon-national-championships

3) In 2019, Mosier won two National Championships in Race Walking. Winning 15th place for 30K with a time of 3:14:25 and 8th place for 50k with a time of 5:53:47.
https://elitefeats.com/race-results.asp?ID=19900&div=30K
There was just 22 and 10 people in the race.
Interesting that some female athlets made better time.

4) In 2020, Mosier competed in the US Olympic Team Trials for the 50k Racewalk event; however, he was unable to finish the race due to injury. As such, he became the first known transgender athlete to compete in the Olympic Trials in the gender with which they identify.

5) In 2023, Mosier won the National Championship at the USA Triathlon Duathlon Gravel National Championship race in Fayetteville, Arkansas. Is it big in USA?

I was genuinely curious but a brief research shows that they're doing so-so and do not break any world records. Thank you for the list anyway.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
sa
And then you have trans woman Laurel Hubbard who actually performed in World Championship and 2021 Olympics. Beats your list.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

They're breaking world records by competing as they are. Cause guess what? People won't recognize any trans record breaking because they're "cheating". It's a complete trap.

Women are inherently physically inferior to men, therefore we CAN'T let ftm trans compete in actual competitions. How do we know that women are inherently inferior to men physically? Well, no ftm trans has broken a record in actual competitions, have they? No shit they haven't, cause no one WILL LET THEM COMPETE.

Just ignore all the ftm that I showed you where the trans athlete can MORE than hold his own against so called "stronger" competitors.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 02:48 am (UTC)(link)
DA

But I think you'd get a lot more people in your corner if you pushed the "let trans men compete against men" because if they actually can hold their own, and win, that's a good argument for desegregating sports.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 02:51 am (UTC)(link)
I would recognise MtF record breaking. Or even some presence in pro sport. There's none.

'How do we know that women are inherently inferior to men physically?'
erm... because we do? I was about to write something sarcastic here but you took the time and provided some names for wich I'm thankful.

Why did you include a trans man that didn't even compete against other men in your list?

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 02:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Because very few competitions LET trans people compete in their real category. It's why the list is so short. And even with that, you're just gonna ignore Mosier because you think he's TOO OLD? Dude competed in prosports. You just gotta find some way to disqualify him because it ruins your narrative.... Grow up.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
He was outperformed by women who are women by birth. If that is pro sport for you... well.
I mean all the respect for FtM athlets because they don't have an unfare advantage and their results are true. If only we had as many FtM athlets... For some weird reason there's almosr none. College level and some obscure walking competitions.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
If that is pro sport for you... well.

Was he paid for it? Oh, he was? That's the "pro" part of pro sports.

Unless... do we need to go all the way back to kindergarten to make sure you understand what words mean?

(Anonymous) 2023-06-18 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
he's paid for promoting Trans rights. Or do you think that a man can make a living out taking part in race with 10 people? Are you seriously equating Olympic swimmers and weightlifters with this results? If you do, then please be happy that MtF have no unfair advantage.
By your last sentence you mean that I'm stupid. Yeah, fine. I'm sorry I took you seriously until now.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-19 03:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Ok, kindergarten it is.

See, sports are very harmful long term to the body. So most people don't get to play them professionally for very long. Professional sports is where you get money for playing. Sometimes it's as a team, and you get a wage. Sometimes it's as an individual and you compete for prize money and if you win, you're a professional. Once you start feeling the harm from long term sports, you retire. This means you no longer do the sport for wage or for prize money.

Chris Mosier is CURRENTLY is paid as a speaker. He did sports a lot for a long time, so he stopped doing it competitively because he felt the harm from long term sports.

When he did do sports competitively, he won prize money, making him... um... professional...

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
The goalpost moving is staggering.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
ayrt
nah, I did this brief research for myself. Take it as you want.
Maybe someone who knows more about USA sport will correct me.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
Research "moving the goal posts" while you're at it.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Let them compete against their fellow trans men and women in their own sports categories. Only then will it be fair.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-18 02:23 am (UTC)(link)
Why stop there? Why not test all the athletes and only people who has the same amount of hormones can compete. Then we can have mixed events, 'cause *gasp* there's overlap in the amount of testosterone and estrogen between male and female athletes.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-18 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
ia. We have ages bracket competitions and Paralympics. Why not transgender.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
nayrt
I'm on the fence about Chess. I heard that it's traditionally male dominated and that's why so few women compete in male league. I wonder if we will we see more female grandmasters in the future.

(Anonymous) 2023-06-17 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, the historical difference between men and women in chess is entirely a product of the sport being traditionally male dominated and women being socially excluded from it.